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Old 12-08-2007, 02:03 PM   #71 (permalink)
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I agree with both of you. Silva is totally unproven, so Fedor > Silva

But Fedor needs to fight some Proper HWs. Preferrably Barnett. Prefferably soon.
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Old 12-08-2007, 02:15 PM   #72 (permalink)
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I am on both sides of the fence here.

While I agree with F>A and others about Fedor being the best HW in the world, him beating Jr. and all that jazz, I also agree with Damone that is about time he starts fighting. I mean honestly, in the last 2 years, he has only fought one solid HW, Mark Hunt. And even that was on a night were he could have fought Josh Barnett, the runner up of the Pride OWGP. What was Pride's excuse? Mirko won the GP so he should get the title shot. That is all fine and dandy, but why of all people, did Hunt get the fight then?

I am not starting a conspiracy theory or anything here, but face the facts people; Pride's management protected Fedor quite a bit. I am not taking away from Fedor or anything, just bashing the Pride management. Pride management would milk Fedor for the most marketable fights, rather then the most competitive. I mean, one of these incidents that really pisses me off, is the fact that Sergei didn't get a title shot. In late 05, Sergei was 13-1, with his only loss to Nog. He was coming off big wins over Werdum, Rizzo, Schilt and Ninja. Who does Fedor fight on NYE? Zulu. See what I am saying? There are many other situations too. Even Mark Hunt, considered to be Fedor's only challanging HW opponent in the last 2 years, should not have gotten the fight. Josh Barnett should have. But obviously, Pride management didn't want to jeopradize CC/Fedor II, and they wanted to wait for Barnett to fight Fedor in America at a later date. God knows it would have been a sin if Fedor actually fought Barnett and didn't look tooo impressive or, perhaps, lost. (Once again, I am not saying Barnett would beat Fay-Fay).

Pride management tried to "pro-wrestle" Fedor too much. Fight freak shows instead of the #1 Contendars. Hopefully M-1 doesn't do the same, and we finally see him fight top competition again. That would put rest to any debates like these.

Once again, I am not questioning Fedor's talent what so ever. Let's get that straight before I get flamed. Fedor is still the #1 HW, and the #1/2 P4P fighter on the planet IMO. But I think it has been too long since he has had a fight against a real challange.
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Old 12-08-2007, 02:22 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Pride Management loved to protect there fighters. Wanderlei got protected so did Fedor but it's not like Dana didn't also protect Chuck Liddell from some guys.

It's how org's treated there top guys but I defiantly see and agree with your point BP.
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Old 12-08-2007, 02:30 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Pride Management loved to protect there fighters. Wanderlei got protected so did Fedor but it's not like Dana didn't also protect Chuck Liddell from some guys.

It's how org's treated there top guys but I defiantly see and agree with your point BP.
Honestly, I wouldn't say Wanderlei or Chuck got protected too much. Wanderlei did get milked for the money fights earlier in his career as champion, but he was fighting HW's and all the top competition soon enough. It is not Chuck's fault that the UFC only had grapplers in the LHW division, and that was his biggest strength. I wouldn't consider fighting Randy(x3), Tito(x2), Vitor, Babalu and heck even sending him over to Pride to fight there best protecting.

That is aside from the point though. Once Fedor established himself as the kingpin at HW after fighting all the top fighters, Pride management began to milk him for marketable, rather then competitive fights.
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Pride Management loved to protect there fighters. Wanderlei got protected so did Fedor but it's not like Dana didn't also protect Chuck Liddell from some guys.

It's how org's treated there top guys but I defiantly see and agree with your point BP.
I think the difference, though, is that Pride had the talent to fight against their top guys where as the UFC didn't until this past year, which is why Chuck and Rich were champs for so long.

EDIT: Brownpimp beat me and he posted sooner.
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Old 12-08-2007, 02:39 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Good points I didn't think about that and I will post a counter arguement once I can come up with one real solid response.
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Old 12-08-2007, 03:37 PM   #77 (permalink)
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I agree with your post brownpimp.

I'm excited just to see Fedor fight again, and I agree that he needs to fight more fierce competition. I just don't agree with downplaying his achievements, by suggesting that he's "ducking" people. He's tooled some of the best in the biz.
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Old 12-08-2007, 06:25 PM   #78 (permalink)
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The funny thing about that video is there is no proof that Tim said "no." Just the Pride USA guy saying it. Fact is Tim has called out Fedor in post-fight interviews before.
At the very least, I was just trying to show that the rumor was false and I think that video does the job. He never has and never will duck an opponent. Fedor Emelianenko is the greatest MMA artist to ever grace the sport, and these "he's ducking so-and-so" posts without any substance to back them up are getting old.
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Old 12-08-2007, 06:36 PM   #79 (permalink)
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The so-called greatest artist needs to start fighting actually talented HW's instead of freakshows and MW's.
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brownpimp from what i remeber both cro-cop and barnett declined to fight fedor at the NYE show cro-cop was working out his contract (getting offers from the ufc where he went a few months later)and barnett said something about him being exhausted from fighting so many times that year he fought 6 times that year before being offered the fedor fight that he declined strangly enough though he decided to fight big nog instead who isnt exactly a slouch
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