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Old 12-10-2007, 02:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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When will we get "real" MMA fighters?

We all know a good wrestler can get taken down in MMA by a guy who know's "MMA wrestling" (like GSP does with Koscheck; set up with punches and power just bull rush that ass! almost no clinch game before the takedown whatsoever, you don't see that in wrestling)

We all know a jiu jutsu guy, if not submited, can get beaten badly on the ground due to the sweat/GnP factor.

We all know a good striker can get outstruck in MMa by a guy who can fake td:s (Guida vs Huerta is a grat exampe, huerta drops to his knees to defend; eats an uppercut) or is just plain more aggressive than a schooled striker, which usually succeed better in MMA (WAND is NOT a schooled striker and he took Cro Cop in their first fight. Also Randy know MMA striking).

Of course, sometimes the MMA style of doing things is identical to the sport which it came from, but mostly everything needs to be a little modified.

That's why I ask myself (with the popularity of mma and the increasment of MMA gyms); When will we get people who didn't "do BJJ" or "wrestled in collage" before they started training seriously for MMA? When will we get people who's trained MMA and only MMA since they were sixteen or even younger?

I know that Karo had a pro fight at 16, but he almost only trained Judo, GSP trained different martial arts when he was 16, but hardly MMA in itself.

I believe people whohas always wrestled knowing that knees exists in the clinch and guilliotines are a common double leg counter, who has always striked knowing that a takedwn can be coming and who has always trained submissions including some light GnP would be a better MMA fighter than someone who hasn't. Will we get such a guy? Oppinions?
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Old 12-10-2007, 02:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I know what youre tryn to say and i totaly agree, but in reality isnt mma a way to match up "different discaplines" against each other. Isnt the essence of MMA, a wrestler vs a judo guy, or a kick boxer vs a jui jitsu guy.

MMA in itself as a discapline has only recently been introduced into the martial arts as a FORM of martial arts. I think thats why there is a lack of just mma fighters, because usually these guys have excelled in their own discaplines and moved to mma.

A good example of someone who is just MMA is KIMBO. hahaha there are more for sure.
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Old 12-10-2007, 04:00 PM   #3 (permalink)
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yeah, on youtube there are tons of "monster kids"; like 12 y.o:s already trained in MMA/Sub Wrestling. And also, if you're good at everything you have the risk of exelling at nothing...
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Old 12-10-2007, 04:13 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think we're already starting to get MMA fighters. GSP is a true MMA fighter imo. Pretty much every under 30 in the LW division seems to be.
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Old 12-10-2007, 04:29 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Striking and Grappling are the two main principles of MMA. Anything other than that is your personal style, and thats the point of MMA.

Im actually getting tired of seeing people getting into MMA, who just entered a gym and said alright Ill take one wrestling course here, one BRAZILIAN JJ course here, and one Muay Thai in my afternoon class and hope to get into UFC. No, thats stupid, thats like the industrialized, corperate way of becoming a Mixed Martial Artist.

However, its nice to see someone whos been doing Judo, or Karate or Sambo, get in the gym, and enhance their striking/grappling well enough that in addition to their original style, can compete against other guys with different/similair styles. And that is essentially the root of MMA. Guys with already established backgrounds, enhancing their other not-so-great attributes and competing in Mixed Martial arts competitions.

In the end you really only need to know how to Strike, Wrestle/Manuver your opponant into better position, and be able to submit dudes when the fight hits the ground, thats a generic MMA fighter for you. But a fighter that is proefficient in another style, in addition to the general 3, well thats a true fighter for you.
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Old 12-10-2007, 04:47 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Sambo ports pretty much unaltered to mma. Nothing changes. It just happens that Fedor's the only decent guy so far. Plus going back to the original martial art helps a lot. Chucks mma striking defeated by Rampage more boxing striking. (Other people will come up with better examples)
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MMA originally was a way to bring together different disciplines, hence the "mixed" part. but it has evolved, and an MMA fighter is something which nobody predicted. instead of style versus style, it is now necessary to train at least 3 styles, even more, just to compete at any real level. MMA is no longer "mixed" martial arts, but a conglomeration of fighting arts into the most realistic form of combat we have.
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I think it's better to train individual martial arts and then mend them together, rather than just training for "MMA"
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I think we will see fighters of this quality in the next decade and sooner. Think of all the mma fighters and their children and young kids that they influence into getting into mma. The earlier a kid gets it into his head that he wants to be a professional fighter, the closer we'll be to seeing more fighters like Fedor who are so good at so many aspects of mma.

My nephew is doing jiu-jitsu, he's 10 and his class is 90 mintues with a good amount of time dedicated to sparing and grappling. It really looks like their training to be future fighters sometimes.
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:52 AM   #10 (permalink)
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When Jardine beat Chuck, it looked like he was relying on mma skill more than any martial art. Yeah I guess we'll get more of it.
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