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post #11 of 23 (permalink) Old 06-05-2006, 02:40 PM
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"All those points are commonly hit by accident causing a knockout."

"Accident" being the operative word. I know you were talking about "that" nerve cluster, I was making the point that based on your list of pressure points that is the only one that is used on a regular basis with some degree of effectiveness. The others, though devastating at times, cannot be targeted successfully at a high percentage and thus pressure point usage in mma is a hit or miss proposition at best.

Bottom line, I don't see George Dillman and his co-horts being summoned to the Militich or Bas Ruttan's camp for pressure point seminars. There is too much out there that is much higher on the totem pole of effectiveness.

Street application against an unsuspecting adversary, that's a whole nother story and a whole nother thread.

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I can agree with that myself I think they work better in pure grappling contests as well.. where you can just push one of the spots

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a great pressure point where you dont have to be precise is under the arm. there is a wide area under there that if you apply just 2 pounds of finger pressure during a ground grapple it will hurt bad enough to make the other guy involentarily move away from it and create an opening or tap out if youre dominating on top. under the back of the jaw and below the ear is very sensitive also and Ive seen several fights where it couldve been applied when the dominator had his hand on the opponents face during a ground grapple. I do not think anyone would not react to these unless they were high on pcp at the time.
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the one under the arm is actualy a series of different preassure points that are all about equally effective but that is one of my favorites to get out of a headlock or choke if I can spear hand it

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As I was aying they still may be hit by accident but it is still generally in a small area the head and with a multiple points causing a knockout you generally just have to aim for that area for the desired effect.
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true don...I shouldve been clear to avoid misunderstanding and included pressure point "area" in my first sentence as was intended. the only bad thing about that would be the pit stench left on your hand/glove afterwards.
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If I remember correctly, PP attacks are not allowed in MMA. However, due to their nature, they are at best (as DAT stated) a hit-or-miss weapon under actual combat applications. I would actually think that you would have a much larger chance of winning the lottery than being able to use PP attacks with reliable results in an actual fight; especially against someone who is trained.

Case in point: One thing that I sadistically do to get someone's arm off of me (if they are the average Joe) is shooting a spear hand up into a person's armpit. Usually you can catch a person off guard and cause a consistent enough amount of pain to make them recoil quickly. When I used to roll with one of my associates from my brother's church, I found myself mounted and in the midst of trying to bridge/upa out of it I snuck the spear into place. After the intitial flinch, I had the same arm I used snatched from its safe haven and barred viciously.

The same guy told me about how to get into someone's nerves just enough to make them move to escape, but warned about how in an actual fight it would be a lot better trying to tie up the person on top and sweeping them because it doesn't do me any good to fish for nerve clusters if my head is being bounced off of the canvas from punches. Further, through rolling on a regular basis, if your opponent is conscious enough to fight you for control of your arms, head, or legs (which they will do whether they are skilled or not) it becomes too much of an issue to look for a fine pressure-point area regardless if you're in a good position or not.
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Haha a 1 in 13 million chance in winning the lottery. What I was saying you may not be aiming to hit them, you may just be wanting to hit them as hard as you can in the head but people still hit them and knock their opponent out with out any knowledge of pressurepoint attacks.
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I'd like to see a Hapkido master fight some MMA guys. It'd be interesting, but like you said, pressure points are illegal in the UFC.



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This from the UFC rules on their site. I don't see pressure points or anything similar described as a no-no. #12 comes the closest.


Fouls: [Top]
1. Butting with the head.
2. Eye gouging of any kind.
3. Biting.
4. Hair pulling.
5. Fish hooking.
6. Groin attacks of any kind.
7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8. Small joint manipulation.
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.

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