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The Don 06-04-2006 05:43 PM

Preassure Points??
 
OK Is it me or while grappling in the MMA I do not see the use of many preassure points and such, is this becoming a lost art or what I have used preassure points to get out of many holds or to break stalemates.

USMCgrappler 06-04-2006 06:34 PM

Pressure points are only as good as ones ability to suffer the pain. In my experience, grappling in the military against those who know them, they do not work all the time.
I know they only hurt, but don't usually damage. No reason to tap or give up position.

Nate

The Don 06-04-2006 06:40 PM

oh true that but if your in a bind they can help you our or force the person to move in a way they do not want if you can cause sufficient pain, everyones pain tolerence is different, and true I have had mixed success with them but I am not sure if they are even allowed in MMA stuff since I have not seen it used

IronMan 06-04-2006 07:53 PM

Alot of the pros are so thick and so fast that (1) if you loosen up to apply them you'll get pounded and (2) they have such thick muscle on their frames that the nerves become harder to locate and less effecive when found.

That's at least from my personal experience.

DAT 06-04-2006 10:12 PM

I don't believe muscularity has anything to do with finding nerve or pressure points which are close enough to the skin to find, hit or apply pressure. The reason that pressure points are not used in mma is because in the heat of battle it is virtually impossible to pinpoint your attack and effectively use the concept. It is unrealistic unless you have honed your skills over most of your lifetime. Maybe George Dillman or a Dim Mak master like Earl Montague could possibly pull it off but not the average mma practioner who wants to find an edge on the competition.

One more point, during a fairly static situation where one fighter is on top of the other you would think the opportunity for a nerve strike would arise. But just think of the adrenalin that is flowing and the fatigue factor. First, the adrenalin would obstruct much of the pain, a seasoned mma fighter is much more used to withstanding pain via submission than the average guy in the street, and second, fine skilled motor techniques are very difficult to pull off under such a stressfull fatiguing situation. Finding a dime or even quarter sized spot on a sweaty whirling dervish is a tall order.

Bottom line, you don't see anything in the octagon that isn't practical, doesn't work or pay big dividends. :D

The Don 06-05-2006 09:31 AM

:: nods :: ok I can agree with alot of that I guess in straigt grappling when your not worried about a fist to the face its easier to do.

Paw 06-05-2006 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAT
I don't believe muscularity has anything to do with finding nerve or pressure points which are close enough to the skin to find, hit or apply pressure. The reason that pressure points are not used in mma is because in the heat of battle it is virtually impossible to pinpoint your attack and effectively use the concept. It is unrealistic unless you have honed your skills over most of your lifetime. Maybe George Dillman or a Dim Mak master like Earl Montague could possibly pull it off but not the average mma practioner who wants to find an edge on the competition.

One more point, during a fairly static situation where one fighter is on top of the other you would think the opportunity for a nerve strike would arise. But just think of the adrenalin that is flowing and the fatigue factor. First, the adrenalin would obstruct much of the pain, a seasoned mma fighter is much more used to withstanding pain via submission than the average guy in the street, and second, fine skilled motor techniques are very difficult to pull off under such a stressfull fatiguing situation. Finding a dime or even quarter sized spot on a sweaty whirling dervish is a tall order.

Bottom line, you don't see anything in the octagon that isn't practical, doesn't work or pay big dividends. :D

Musularity has everything to do with where your pressurepoints the more muscular and rippen you are the closer it is to the surface making people more susceptable to these attacks. And what do you mean you cant use an effective pressure point attack. What about the filtrum thats a pressure point and if punched can knock an opponent out. Along the cheek bone there are 4 pressure points which when crossed or hooked and hit simutaneously will also knock your opponent out. The solar plexus also when hit can cause substansial damage winding a person. Also a nerve cluster on the inside of the leg when hit will floor your opponent. etc neet i go on, these are all points that are commonly hit and are all pressure points.

Phill

DAT 06-05-2006 12:21 PM

"Musularity has everything to do with where your pressurepoints the more muscular and rippen you are the closer it is to the surface making people more susceptable to these attacks."

Not neccessarily true. Points are close (relatively) to the skin no matter what bodystyle you have. Some people are different and some people are more or less impervious to pressure point pain. This I've seen for myself firsthand.


"And what do you mean you cant use an effective pressure point attack. What about the filtrum thats a pressure point and if punched can knock an opponent out. Along the cheek bone there are 4 pressure points which when crossed or hooked and hit simutaneously will also knock your opponent out. The solar plexus also when hit can cause substansial damage winding a person. Also a nerve cluster on the inside of the leg when hit will floor your opponent. etc neet i go on, these are all points that are commonly hit and are all pressure points."

I never said there weren't pressure points on the body, just that they are hard to target while someone is trying to KO or submit you. All the points you mention are there but who can pinpoint them in the middle of octagon chaos. If it were that elemental you'd see a lot of people reeling from pressure point attacks.

Is there an mma fighter out there that has that ability? I have yet to see him. The most common pressure point I've seen used successfully and commonly is the nerve about halfway down your upper leg which is targeted by muay thay type kicks. When hit often (K-1) and right on target it can cause immobility that will result in the inability to kick with that leg or maintain a strong base.:)

Paw 06-05-2006 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAT
"Musularity has everything to do with where your pressurepoints the more muscular and rippen you are the closer it is to the surface making people more susceptable to these attacks."

Not neccessarily true. Points are close (relatively) to the skin no matter what bodystyle you have. Some people are different and some people are more or less impervious to pressure point pain. This I've seen for myself firsthand.


"And what do you mean you cant use an effective pressure point attack. What about the filtrum thats a pressure point and if punched can knock an opponent out. Along the cheek bone there are 4 pressure points which when crossed or hooked and hit simutaneously will also knock your opponent out. The solar plexus also when hit can cause substansial damage winding a person. Also a nerve cluster on the inside of the leg when hit will floor your opponent. etc neet i go on, these are all points that are commonly hit and are all pressure points."

I never said there weren't pressure points on the body, just that they are hard to target while someone is trying to KO or submit you. All the points you mention are there but who can pinpoint them in the middle of octagon chaos. If it were that elemental you'd see a lot of people reeling from pressure point attacks.

Is there an mma fighter out there that has that ability? I have yet to see him. The most common pressure point I've seen used successfully and commonly is the nerve about halfway down your upper leg which is targeted by muay thay type kicks. When hit often (K-1) and right on target it can cause immobility that will result in the inability to kick with that leg or maintain a strong base.:)

You see all the points I have listed above are all commonly hit within the chaos of the octagon and I did not say that you said they didnt exist :). It does depend on the person not the body type.

"The most common pressure point I've seen used successfully and commonly is the nerve about halfway down your upper leg which is targeted by muay thay type kicks. When hit often (K-1) and right on target it can cause immobility that will result in the inability to kick with that leg or maintain a strong base.:)."

Thats the nerve cluster im referring to. :laugh:

"All the points you mention are there but who can pinpoint them in the middle of octagon chaos. If it were that elemental you'd see a lot of people reeling from pressure point attacks."

All those points are commonly hit by accident causing a knockout.

The Don 06-05-2006 01:09 PM

now I know not all preassure points are hit by striking either there are also those that are deep in the body that require you to be exact and those that just glanced can cause pain, and people are affected differently by some spots, there are several that barely affect me yet I have seen others break into tears and scream when hit


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