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Old 12-29-2007, 01:41 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I respect your stance on derogatory terms for women, as well as your view on the scantily clad ring girls. I know that their little outfits are supposed to leave little to the imagination. However, that's not what I was calling classless. If you watch the KOTC's from last year (those are the ones I saw), you'd know exactly what I'm talking about. I, just as any other man, enjoy watching the girls strut their stuff, but the point I'm trying to get across is merely the filming of the girls. It's like they handed the ring-girl-cam to a 13-year old with a hard-on. A couple times, they actually zoomed in and out repetitively on their ass or tits like the horny wolf in those cartoons making googly eyes while drooling profusely. That's just the image I get when they film like this. If you are offended by a man's use of the word "ho", surely you'd be offended by KOTC's portrayal of these women. I suggest you check out the show, and see what you think. My thought is merely that it is not a good strategy to promote our sport. If I was sitting down in the front row, surely I'd be looking at every inch of the girls, but some viewers on TV will not sit through such a display. That is why I feel it's a bad representation of our sport. Maybe, as stated before, KOTC is aiming for this sort of program. If so, that's cool. I'll continue to watch it. I just think it's an ineffective way to become a bigger organization.

As for the movie Point Blank, I saw it when I was really young (probably about 10 or so), and I remember watching the movie Payback, thinking they totally ripped off Point Blank. Then I realized it was just a remake. I liked the movie, but I can't remember many very specific parts or cool dialogue. Just thought it was good.
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I respect your stance on derogatory terms for women, as well as your view on the scantily clad ring girls. I know that their little outfits are supposed to leave little to the imagination. However, that's not what I was calling classless. If you watch the KOTC's from last year (those are the ones I saw), you'd know exactly what I'm talking about. I, just as any other man, enjoy watching the girls strut their stuff, but the point I'm trying to get across is merely the filming of the girls. It's like they handed the ring-girl-cam to a 13-year old with a hard-on. A couple times, they actually zoomed in and out repetitively on their ass or tits like the horny wolf in those cartoons making googly eyes while drooling profusely. That's just the image I get when they film like this. If you are offended by a man's use of the word "ho", surely you'd be offended by KOTC's portrayal of these women. I suggest you check out the show, and see what you think. My thought is merely that it is not a good strategy to promote our sport. If I was sitting down in the front row, surely I'd be looking at every inch of the girls, but some viewers on TV will not sit through such a display. That is why I feel it's a bad representation of our sport. Maybe, as stated before, KOTC is aiming for this sort of program. If so, that's cool. I'll continue to watch it. I just think it's an ineffective way to become a bigger organization.

As for the movie Point Blank, I saw it when I was really young (probably about 10 or so), and I remember watching the movie Payback, thinking they totally ripped off Point Blank. Then I realized it was just a remake. I liked the movie, but I can't remember many very specific parts or cool dialogue. Just thought it was good.
First of all,Happy New Year to you and many happy returns.
As for the rest of it:
1.Maybe what would put us both on the same wavelength here is if I suggest that perhaps part of the problem here is what might be called "False Advertising," inadvertent or intentional.At the very least, I gather that perhaps you feel that this thing might be better shown on the Playboy Channel...There is still such a thing isn't there? One of the local newspapers in my neck of the woods has been gloating over what they see as Playboy magazine taking a financial beating because of the Internet....I wouldn't know.I know the last time I was down at Sailor Bob's Bar & Grill, and that goes back a couple of summers,there was something called The Playboy Channel on the boob tube over the bar.
You and the other gentlemen who have posted on this thread all seem to be saying, you thought you were going to see an unarmed combat venue, and what you got was really like a televised or video version of Maxim magazine or something,you know,T&A shots of women along with some articles and pix of top pro fighters and martial artists,etc.
That I can see,especially the gentleman who said that he was offended by having his special lady with him when he viewed that.
I certainly can't argue with that.Again,maybe they should look to switching venue,like to the Playboy Channel,if there is still such a thing, or,around my way they have I believe it is called E! channel or something, they once had a show called Wild-on with swimsuit model Brooke Burke, I never saw it, this is just what I heard from fairly reliable source, also I believe at one time they broadcast the Howard Stern show with porno models and centerfolds taking off their clothes in the studio during the live broadcast.
Maybe the KOTC people should talk about switching venue to there? Maybe? Present it to the crowd that is looking for that kind of thing?As the old saying goes:Take it somewheres else.(?)
About that movie Payback:was it any good?
I generally hate re-makes.Like they recently made a re-make of one of my favorite movies with some martial arts action in it, namely The Manchurian Candidate. The original had none other than Frank Sinatra playing the US Army intelligence officer.The martial arts/karate fight between him and the enemy agent who betrayed him was and still is awesome!
Thanks for what you said,man, and you have a good one!
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Old 01-04-2008, 11:18 PM   #13 (permalink)
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If there were long intermissions of nothing but the ring girls, I'd agree with the false advertising idea. But they're only being shown between rounds for about 10 seconds at a time. KOTC wouldn't be much good for any sort of porn channel because they simply don't offer much in that area.
As for Wild-On, I've caught some of that and it's pretty good stuff. I'm not afraid to admit I've watched it a few times. Also, I've seen The Girls Next Door on E!, and it's pretty good too. Kind of a waste of time though, since they don't really show anything. They're still nice to watch. So, I'm cool with anything involving women because hey, I'm a dude. I appreciate women. The only thing is that MMA is a big part of my life. If MMA was a religion, I'd consider myself an apostle. I spread the gospel every day. I provide events for friends to demonstrate the power that is MMA. Even though I love women, I do not think that KOTC's approach does MMA justice. Inevitably, there will be a following of KOTC because a lot of us really enjoy a display of the ring girls that is less centered on classiness. My thought is that considering an overall potential audience, KOTC will turn many away, especially those men who have significant others watching over their shoulder.

Happy New Year!

Oh, and Payback was pretty good. I'm highly skeptical of remakes as well, but this was decent. Same story, but Mel Gibson instead of Marvin, and he's after 75,000. It's got some pretty funny parts. I'd give it a 6.5/10.
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If there were long intermissions of nothing but the ring girls, I'd agree with the false advertising idea. But they're only being shown between rounds for about 10 seconds at a time. KOTC wouldn't be much good for any sort of porn channel because they simply don't offer much in that area.
As for Wild-On, I've caught some of that and it's pretty good stuff. I'm not afraid to admit I've watched it a few times. Also, I've seen The Girls Next Door on E!, and it's pretty good too. Kind of a waste of time though, since they don't really show anything. They're still nice to watch. So, I'm cool with anything involving women because hey, I'm a dude. I appreciate women. The only thing is that MMA is a big part of my life. If MMA was a religion, I'd consider myself an apostle. I spread the gospel every day. I provide events for friends to demonstrate the power that is MMA. Even though I love women, I do not think that KOTC's approach does MMA justice. Inevitably, there will be a following of KOTC because a lot of us really enjoy a display of the ring girls that is less centered on classiness. My thought is that considering an overall potential audience, KOTC will turn many away, especially those men who have significant others watching over their shoulder.

Happy New Year!

Oh, and Payback was pretty good. I'm highly skeptical of remakes as well, but this was decent. Same story, but Mel Gibson instead of Marvin, and he's after 75,000. It's got some pretty funny parts. I'd give it a 6.5/10.

Gotcha.
Listen:you've gotten me to thinking about a couple of things,things that I am probably going to bring up as whole new threads in this forum,but since you got me started,I think that I'd like to give you first crack at this.
1.As a martial arts apostle, do you think that there are any myths about the martial arts out there, especially myths that you would like to see laid to rest?
2.About the ladies:If you were in the position of advising a woman on a martial art mainly for self-defense purposes,what would you advise her? One of my buddies is a nurse,recently another nurse was attacked in the elevator of the hospital where she worked,so now she's signed up for this women's self-defense cardio-kickboxing thing that is offered where she usually works out.
I don't know. Women's cardio-kickboxing sounds very McDojo to me.Also what should be taken into consideration is that where we are located, she is within driving distance of taking,say Gracie Jiu-jitsu,Muay thai, or Wing chun.
What do you think?
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Gotcha.
Listen:you've gotten me to thinking about a couple of things,things that I am probably going to bring up as whole new threads in this forum,but since you got me started,I think that I'd like to give you first crack at this.
1.As a martial arts apostle, do you think that there are any myths about the martial arts out there, especially myths that you would like to see laid to rest?
2.About the ladies:If you were in the position of advising a woman on a martial art mainly for self-defense purposes,what would you advise her? One of my buddies is a nurse,recently another nurse was attacked in the elevator of the hospital where she worked,so now she's signed up for this women's self-defense cardio-kickboxing thing that is offered where she usually works out.
I don't know. Women's cardio-kickboxing sounds very McDojo to me.Also what should be taken into consideration is that where we are located, she is within driving distance of taking,say Gracie Jiu-jitsu,Muay thai, or Wing chun.
What do you think?
1. Do you mean myths about what martial arts are "the best" or "worthless" in regard to MMA? I know there are many opinions on what is the best or most effective martial art, but I believe any one martial art would be extremely ineffective when faced with mixed martial arts. I guess that's pretty obvious.
Example: a decorated BJJ fighter vs. a fighter with decent skills in Muay Thai, kickboxing, and wrestling... With the exception of MMA's early days when nobody understood BJJ, I believe the striker/wrestler would win this fight nearly every time if he came in with a gameplan. The BJJ guy would have the obvious game plan consisting of taking them down or pulling guard to work for submission, never intending to stand with their opponent. If the other fighter is a half-way decent wrestler, he'll defend the takedowns and get the fight back on the feet. As essential as BJJ is in MMA, it could not stand alone in today's MMA. Some could argue Royce Gracie's dominance in the early UFC's, but most of the guys had no idea what they were in for. BJJ is widely considered the absolute essential martial art in MMA, but it really only covers half the game. Sure, a mixed martial arts fighter would be at a huge disadvantage without it, but so would a fighter with no muay thai or kickboxing. If I had to call on a myth, I'd have to say that there is no "best" martial art in modern MMA.

As for the "worst", well... I would hate to call any martial art the worst, or worthless or anything like that. However, some martial arts are more impractical than others, such as Wing Chun, Karate, and Tae Kwon Do. Their traditional styles just don't translate well in MMA. I am a fan of all of them by the way. I love watching each of them in their own competitions, but not MMA. A fighter who specializes in any of these would not fare well in MMA without a good amount of experience in other martial arts. All martial arts are a beautiful thing, and I love them all. I'm a little unsure about capoiera though... Anyway, it's all good to me.

2. If a woman is looking for self-defense training, the absolute most important aspect of their training is that it makes them confident and comfortable. If they're not training specifically to fight, then they don't have to worry about training in a McDojo as long as they feel good about themselves and their ability. However, if a woman is looking to compete, which is gradually becoming more popular, then basic self-defense training will not be effective for anything other than learning a few basics and getting integrated in the sport. I'd say if a woman was out of shape and had no knowledge of martial arts, a self-defense course would be a great way to get started. Depending on their personality, getting into MMA comletely cold could be very discouraging, especially since a woman would be less likely to have any combat sport-related experience. Of course females in combat sports, even high school wrestling, is being seen much more often than in the past, so who knows, maybe they could jump into MMA and hang with the guys in the class.

Thanks for the first crack!
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I respect your stance on derogatory terms for women, as well as your view on the scantily clad ring girls. I know that their little outfits are supposed to leave little to the imagination. However, that's not what I was calling classless. If you watch the KOTC's from last year (those are the ones I saw), you'd know exactly what I'm talking about. I, just as any other man, enjoy watching the girls strut their stuff, but the point I'm trying to get across is merely the filming of the girls. It's like they handed the ring-girl-cam to a 13-year old with a hard-on. A couple times, they actually zoomed in and out repetitively on their ass or tits like the horny wolf in those cartoons making googly eyes while drooling profusely. That's just the image I get when they film like this. If you are offended by a man's use of the word "ho", surely you'd be offended by KOTC's portrayal of these women. I suggest you check out the show, and see what you think. My thought is merely that it is not a good strategy to promote our sport. If I was sitting down in the front row, surely I'd be looking at every inch of the girls, but some viewers on TV will not sit through such a display. That is why I feel it's a bad representation of our sport. Maybe, as stated before, KOTC is aiming for this sort of program. If so, that's cool. I'll continue to watch it. I just think it's an ineffective way to become a bigger organization.

As for the movie Point Blank, I saw it when I was really young (probably about 10 or so), and I remember watching the movie Payback, thinking they totally ripped off Point Blank. Then I realized it was just a remake. I liked the movie, but I can't remember many very specific parts or cool dialogue. Just thought it was good.
I remember watching one KotC event, and they put them cam on one of the black ring girls as she was adjusting her bikini because her nipple was poking out..trashy.
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LOL, interesting topic.

Yeah it is classless and tasteless but it has it's purpos. Most of the fans are men and inbetween all the sweaty, half naked men rolling around with each other they want to show some T&A. Zooming in on their boobs for 10 sec is a bit execesive though. It won't help them get taken seriously as an MMA federation but sex sells.
LOL,it is definitely,indeed,very definitely interesting to hear from a lady on this topic. I really wish that more ladies would speak up,not only here, but elsewhere in this forum because I feel that it would greatly contribute to the realization of truth on this and other topics if we also heard the feminine perspective.
That said, I am curious.
Please tell us more about you,Angel Eyes.
Are you a professional model or an aspirant, or a ring girl or an aspirant, or are you a competitor in the martial arts or some other athletic activity? Or do you have friends or family members who are martial artists or are otherwise involved in something related?
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well let me start off by saying, MMA isnt really a "classy" sport it is a sport where to men or women beat the piss out of each other. i dont know what part of the sportis classy or ever was classy or will ever be classy. dont twist what the sport is. if you want classy try polo. or horse back riding!
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