jdun11

I DO NOT think Filho would beat everyone at 185. I think Hendo would knock him out and Lindland would beat him up as well. Even a guy like Franklin would give him trouble, possibly even knock him out. I think Rich has a better sprawl than Silva does which could help him aginst Filho.

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Damone

I see you've changed your tone ever since Sonnen damn near beat dude down.

Do you think that Filho would beat Marquardt? If so, why?

wukkadb

I think Filho will beat almost any fighter... as long as he gets the fight to the ground. His black belt in Judo and good wrestling base really helps with this though, Sonnen just happened to be a terrible style match up for Filho

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kds13

I like Yamamoto a little cause he's exciting, but the thing that turns me off is his somewhat cocky/unsportmanlike nature. But even I can't help but defend him here.

Yeah, lets get down on KID for fighting someone from a lower weight class when he's been fighting guys who weigh more than him most of his career. Oh, and he's dominated those guys who weighed more, too.

I fail to see how someone 17-1 with wins over Curran, Gracie, Uno, Sudo, and Yahya is overrated.

As far as his performance...not his best. But awful? Oh my God, what a gross overstatement. He had Yahya rocked 7 seperate times in the fight before finishing him off, and yes, I counted.

He avoided getting pulled into guard twice, his kicks were sharp, he used the clinch and threw some knees when Yahya was throwing those meatcleavers around, when Yahya ran in at him he just hipped tossed him aside in the 2nd Round.

Show me one punch from Yahya that didn't have all his strength behind it AND he wasn't looking at the floor. Kid stood in the pocket and took them and never stopped throwing himself.

Kid looked fine.

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jdun11

Hmmmm thats tough. It all about if he can get the takedown or not. Nate seemed to have a pretty good sprawl against Lister. But Filho has better TD's than Lister so Im not sure. Nate would pick Filho apart on the feet until Filho got the fight to the ground. Im sure Filho could eventually get a TD but would he finish him?? I dont think so. I would favor Nate slightly. But wouldnt be shocked if either fighter won.

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Damone

I think you are misunderstanding what I'm trying to say. I am not getting down on Kid fighting in those weight classes. I'm getting down on him for this, his other performance, and the fact that he hasn't beaten anyone really solid since Genki Sudo. But, of course, I am pissing on the Kid Yamamoto name and what it stands for.

Did you miss how I put "currently"? Because, I am in no way saying that his whole career is overrated. When people still put him as number 1 P4P, number 1 145, whatever, when he hasn't even beaten the guys that would get him in those spots, that, to me, is being overrated. Maybe not to you, but to me, it is.

Slow, not at all explosive, having trouble standing with a guy whose best known stand-up technique is the bull charge, sloppy, totally uninspired, etc. He was not the guy who I remembered him being, and definitely not the guy who would, "OMG KILLZ FABERZ LOLZZZZ!!!11" Yamamoto should've had no trouble with Rany Yahya, since that's the perfect match-up for him, but man, he was having trouble standing with the guy.

He looked far from fine.

Asian Sensation

damone i still dont understand how you think yahya was winning on the feet he didnt land a single shot that rocked or even dazed kid and all he was throwing were wild shots and like kds said kid rocked him many times and eventually knocked him the **** out. As for faber beating kid, what evidence do you have that if faber fought him that night he'd lose? Kid didnt really even show his TDD much and thats what faber does look for the takedown and get some GnP or possibly a sub. On the feet faber is far from impressive and if yahya in your mind was "outstriking" kid in that fight, in a fight with faber on the feet he'd knock him out.

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Damone

Kid was sluggish, disinterested, and lacked the explosiveness he usually possesses.

Faber, on the other hand, is extremely explosive, determined, and fast. On top of that, his sub game is quite good, and his striking's not really that bad. Also, he'd press that Kid Yam against the fence, take him down, and pound him out. Kid needs to actually fight relevant guys, because these gimme fights that Hero's keeps setting up ain't cutting it. Kid just doesn't look like he even cares. Faber, on the other hand, couldn't be anymore focused. He looked really, really good against Curran.

And I don't even care for Urijah Faber. Actually, I'm a bigger Kid Yam fan than I am a Faber fan.

kds13

Again, show me a punch Yahya threw that wasn't an all-out power punch without his head down. Kid had no problem with him standing. Is having trouble striking rocking your opponent 6 or 7 times and then flatlining him???



EDIT: Please rewatch the Faber vs. Curran fight.
http://www.mmatko.com/urijah-faber-v...-video-wec-31/

Curran got the leg sweep right off the bat and put Faber on his back. Curran immediately passes to side control. Oh look...Curran mounts Urijah...20 SECONDS INTO THE FIGHT. Curran had his back the entire first round...


I just don't see how Kid looked bad against Yahya and Faber looked "really, really good" against Curran.

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Damone

I take it you missed the second round of the Faber vs Curran fight.

Choking out a really, really good jitz guy like Curran, not to mention finishing him, is quite simply amazing. Jeff Curran usually doesn't get finished. Jeff Curran doesn't usually get subbed.