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post #41 of 44 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Zemelya View Post
the fact that Mayweather is boxer doesn't mean he's completely square and cant do anything else except boxing (i also not saying that he can, i dont know him personally) i think that if let's say he starts training Muay Thai then he will start just like anybody else + he already knows the boxing part (which is pretty much most important), he ofcourse will have to spend shit loads of time training - which is easily possible since he doesnt need to go to work every day and has all the money for trainers and whatnot plus IF he has natural talent (he probably does) he will learn it much much faster than any of us. probably he wont do so good in grapling BUT i say it again we dont know the guy, some people have nutural abilities, im sure that many of you have a friend or just know the guy who never did any wrestling but still gives you a good challenge even though you did train it. or the new guy that comes to your MT class and kicks/punches almost like you do ? do you think this kind of guy will lose this talent/ability if he becomes professional at something ? maybe Mayweather is that guy ?

I say he should stop talking about it and start training.
NO way will he do well.
Mayweather has tuned his reflexes and habits to make him successful at BOXING.

You simply cannot UNLEARN that behavior. Those habits will get him KTFO in MMA.

To achieve the level of boxing skill he has took him a hellofa long time, its pretty much ingrained on him now and he fights primarily on instinct.
He will never ever ever make a good transition.
He would have to put on weight on his legs, which would bump up his weight class. He would have to strengthen his torso and hips hella alot more to work on stability.

Mayweather slips and slides, he throws punches from angles and knows when to 'turn his back' on his opponent or clench to get out of trouble.
This is really good for boxing, but it will lay him out FLAT in MMA.
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post #42 of 44 (permalink) Old 01-08-2008, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by daveh98 View Post
Phil Baroni is considered a great striker. I just see a overly fatigued fighter that telegraphs his punches. There are many fighters like baroni. MMA is growing very quickly and the skill set is quickly getting more competitive.
Sorry man, but Baroni considered a "great striker"? No way. I think you're buying into the claims announcers make far too often. Phil Baroni is a brawler, he is slow as shit and lacks technique. Frank Shamrock completely absolutely tooled him based on technique alone.

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Right now, its most artful "high level" stuff is on the GROUND. Until more people like GSP enter the ring; it will be dominated by some "good" strikers with "great" takedown defense and amazing submission artists with little standup. Anderson silva, GSP and others are starting to change that. Enjoy your last word, im done with this thread. To the others that were intelligently involved; thanks.
Anderson Silva's a great exception to your rule. Even Antonio Rogerio Nogueira started off in MMA and made the transition to boxing, winning the Brazilian Championship (2x), South American Championship, and placing 3rd at the Panamerican Games.

While boxers could make adjustments to be successful in MMA, the door swings both ways, and I think it favors MMA fighters, simply because they're more aware of their opponents entire body language.
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post #43 of 44 (permalink) Old 01-09-2008, 04:04 AM
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Originally Posted by daveh98 View Post
you responded so fast with another post that I figured I would chime in once more. Your wiki article actually proves my point further. Sure MMA has been around in some form for a long time. That has NOTHING to do with the skill sets evolving. Boxing has gone through a long series of staged changes that are extremely measurable and distinct if analyzed. It has evolved to be more competitive and advanced with every generation. Your wiki article states the following: "MMA has evolved more since 1993 than in its 700 year history." THis was a quote by rogan regarding the UFC and the explosion that followed. He is right. UFC in its early days had an amalgumation of a few distinct styles and often times, 1 style trying to dominate the other style for "supremacy." As Bruce Lee said; the person who adapts the best will be the best fighter. He is right. i am not arguing MMA is a more complete sport. It is. But you can't deny the art and specificity of boxing. BUt I figured I would quickly address your "wiki" article to "own" me by showing that MMA has been around for awhile; not realizing you self-owned yourself because a MAIN TENET of the article was that the medium has only blown up over the past 10 years. Actually only very recently have we truly started to see versed MMA fighters versed in MANY disciplines; again referencing GSP and his destruction of Hughes. That will be all.
You truly are a child and a moron.
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post #44 of 44 (permalink) Old 01-17-2008, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by AtomDanger View Post

I have yet to meet a boxer I couldn't leg kick down, or take down.
I have to throw up the BS flag here. I doubt you have met many IF ANY boxers; much less fought them.

That statement there is just loaded with ignorance and false stats.
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