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post #11 of 63 (permalink) Old 09-28-2006, 08:31 PM
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Yeah I guess. But why is Frank Shamrock considered the greatest? If you saw his fights in Pancrase your opinions would change, he only beat Bas Rutten and Minoru Suzuki other than that hes lost to Yuki Kondo (who Ortiz destroyed) and also Masakatsu tooled him badly twice.
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Ive seen just about every fight with frank shamrock that has been taped and/or released. when you have fought for as long as frank has there is gonna be ups and downs, bad and good fights in your career. And the noted record of Frank is 21 - 7, then you can add around 10 fights that is not filed within sherdog.. His record and Victories should speak for itself. Then you can add all the things hes trying to do for his fighters and the MMA community. The guy deserves every good thing said about him

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And defeating Sinosic is something to be proud of in a boring match by decision. Ortiz owned Sinosic, cut him up with nice elbows and bloodied him all over the ring. Ortiz would definitely beat Frank Shamrock nowadays in my opinion after watching Pancrase DVDs and VHS for the last week. I thought Shamrock would win against Ortiz by decision since this forum claims hes the greatest but no.
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i am very confident baroni will knock frank out..frank hasnt been fighting alot lately and hes def not the best fighter in ufc history, and i agree with you mmafreak Tito would eat frank alive if they faught now..it wouldnt be close, and whoever said frank beat BAS is wrong, frank lost to BAS twice, it was ken who beat BAS twice not frank




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i am very confident baroni will knock frank out..frank hasnt been fighting alot lately and hes def not the best fighter in ufc history, and i agree with you mmafreak Tito would eat frank alive if they faught now..it wouldnt be close, and whoever said frank beat BAS is wrong, frank lost to BAS twice, it was ken who beat BAS twice not frank
Frank Shamrock beat Bas Rutten once by decision. Bas beat Frank twice. I thought Frank beat Bas twice but he didn't, proves hes not even good as I said he was! Hes over rated, Ortiz would stomp him.
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o yea he beat bas once, but bas beat him twice, and ken is 2-0 against bas I believe, both fights i think ken won on a knee bar..ken always has had nasty leg locks




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Yeah I guess. But why is Frank Shamrock considered the greatest? If you saw his fights in Pancrase your opinions would change, he only beat Bas Rutten and Minoru Suzuki other than that hes lost to Yuki Kondo (who Ortiz destroyed) and also Masakatsu tooled him badly twice.
He did beat Bas but they fought twice more and Frank lost them both.
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I think Franks overrated because hes undefeated in the UFC. He had tough competion but not the toughest, and he beat a very young and not fully developed Tito. He'll still tool Baroni but I think hes overrated.

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