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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 09-30-2006, 03:07 PM Thread Starter
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am i the only one who doesn understand how Vitor loses as much as he does, he is bjj black belt and he has the best hands in the LHW division, he shouldnt lose to the guys he loses too..he has all the skills to be the best in the world but cant seem to get it together..he looks like hes in great shape, so i dunno why he gasses..i know that stuff with his sister affected him, but still this guy has all the tools and hes still a young guy so Im not giving up on him yet..anyone have any opinions on why Vitor isnt as good as he should be, dont say he doesnt have heart because the guy is a fighter they all have heart




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I'm with you too man, Vitor is one of my favourite fighters ever and I don't understand how he lost to Allistair twice, he should've won their second fight, Vitor clearly won. If my sister was kidnapped, raped, and murdered by drug dealers I'd be devastated, I seriously think I couldn't go on, but Vitor had the heart to do it and hasn't been the same since. I think Belfort will defeat Henderson at the Real Deal and start becoming his old self, I mean he KO'd Yoshiki Takahashi in 36 seconds at PRIDE - Critical Coutdown Absolute back on July 1st.


Now, just because I'm a huge Shamrock fan I bet I'll get flamed for this but whatever. Vitor Belfort clearly defeated Tito Ortiz at UFC 51. I have that fight and have watched it numerous times. The fight could've been stopped in the 1st round when Vitor was unleashing that flurry on Ortiz, in my opinion it should have because Tito wasn't defending himself very well. Even Chuck Liddell - CHUCK LIDDELL was upset and shaking his head when it was announced that the decision went to Tito. That should tell you something.


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no i think Tito won that fight, he wore Vitor down and clearly won the last two rounds.




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am i the only one who doesn understand how Vitor loses as much as he does, he is bjj black belt and he has the best hands in the LHW division, he shouldnt lose to the guys he loses too..he has all the skills to be the best in the world but cant seem to get it together..he looks like hes in great shape, so i dunno why he gasses..i know that stuff with his sister affected him, but still this guy has all the tools and hes still a young guy so Im not giving up on him yet..anyone have any opinions on why Vitor isnt as good as he should be, dont say he doesnt have heart because the guy is a fighter they all have heart
i've been saying all this stuff about vitor for years! everyone tells me how great he is... but crisp technique and a terrible record don't make a good fighter! yeah, he beat a young, inexperienced silva... we all know, but he's done nothing of note, ever! he's all hype and very rarely delivers. the reason everyone sucks his dingus so much is that when he does win, its usually a really awsome one. that tends to blind everyone to the fact that he's actually very inconsistant and lackluster most of the time. its the same deal as with randleman. everyone's like, he murdered Cro-cop! yeah, but he's a freaking blanket with no skill the rest of the time!

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Belfort looses simply because he doesn't train himself properly and no confidence, he's alot like Mike Tyson....He doesn't believe in himself....He has unmatched talent, but no confidence in his work.
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Belfort looses simply because he doesn't train himself properly and no confidence, he's alot like Mike Tyson....He doesn't believe in himself....He has unmatched talent, but no confidence in his work.
I think that is probably the most accurate and fair synopsis of Vitor's efforts (or lack thereof). I also think that Vitor is also a victom of bringing a fighter up real fast, billing him as the "it" fighter(hell, he is billed the "Phenom" so go figure). The only problem with that is that when fighters are conditioned mentally to believe that they are unstoppable and end up being stopped (in truly convincing fashion), it leaves them in a place where they may not have the passion to train themselves to overcome difficulties. Whereas a lot of less "talented" fighters have been brought up being told that they will not win unless they work to beat someone better than them.

In that regards, Vitor's situation is rather... tragic. Maybe he should have stayed with Brazilian Top Team? At least they would have been around to push him to become better.

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He has no heart or cardio, he comes out beating the crap out of opponents in the first round or a minute then just gives up after that round and gets owned, just like Overeem and Ortiz did to him. He was beating Couture in their first fight too but then Couture began to own him. Then in the third fight, Couture just beat him like a dog.
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I think people still think hes good is because was a good fighter at such a young age. I mean the guys still only like 27 so he has alot of time left to get his shit together. We know what kind of potential he has and it could come out at any time.

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I think people still think hes good is because was a good fighter at such a young age. I mean the guys still only like 27 so he has alot of time left to get his shit together. We know what kind of potential he has and it could come out at any time.
He was on major steroids when he was young, everyone knows that even Brazilian Top Team and Royce Gracie said so. Thats why he dominated so much back in 1997, until Randy stopped him.
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I didnt know he was on steroids. Still steroids wont make a 19 year old kid excell in the UFC. The kid had major talent.

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