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Old 04-09-2008, 12:24 AM   #201 (permalink)
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i see fedor clocking tim with the same damn punch randy hit him with... only this time tim is gonna eat some mean punches on the ground and get slammed around like never before.
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:34 AM   #202 (permalink)
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I'm not forgetting that. But Schlit and Choi are completly different strikers than Tim. Tim uses his jab and keep opponents at distance. Also if they do clinch Sylvia is much bigger than Schilt so it is a much tougher takedown. Vera has great wrestling and only took him down once.
Schilt and Choi really aren't different strikers. Sure, Schilt uses kicks more, but ultimately he uses his reach like Tim to create an undeniable advantage over his opponents.

I don't understand what you mean by Sylvia is bigger than Schilt, because he's not. Semmy when he fought in the UFC was 6'10", 258lbs and Tim Sylvia in his last fight Nogueira was only 3lbs heavier. Tim has better takedown defense than Semmy, but really not by much.

Vera's wrist was also broken early in that fight, which definitely could have factored into his inability to take Tim down. Even then, when Vera used a leg-trip he put Tim on his ass, supporting the point I've been driving home all along: Tim Sylvia has a good sprawl, but abysmal defense to leg trips.


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Sylvia has the advantage of being the bigger man in the clinch. If he tries to clinch it's very possible he pins him up against the cage(if it's in a cage)like he did to Vera.
Brandon Vera is nowhere near as explosive as Fedor, and Fedor is a world-class Sambo practioner who feels just fine inside the clinch. If you look at his accolades as a Sambo competitor, they're higher than Randy's and Vera's as wrestlers.


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Also I think people are ripping Tim's ground game a little much. I mean sure Fedor wins this fight on the ground hands down but it won't end in 5 secs. Tim's ground defense especially from his guard is good with his long arms it's very possible for him to tie Fedor up.
I agree, I don't think people are giving Tim credit. With that said, he's going to get dominated on the ground by a much more explosive fighter, with a top game more dangerous than Nogueira's.
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Brandon Vera is nowhere near as explosive as Fedor, and Fedor is a world-class Sambo practioner who feels just fine inside the clinch. If you look at his accolades as a Sambo competitor, they're higher than Randy's and Vera's as wrestlers.
isn't Fedor like, the world's best Sambo fighter? or am I way off?
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:48 AM   #204 (permalink)
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Not really.

Randy is under contract with the UFC still. Even if he wins his legal battle he is not free until October at the earliest.

Tim is a free agent. He is no longer under contract with the UFC. He could have signed a fight with Fedor the day after his contract ran out.

Fedor needs to fight. I suspect he doesn't want to wait until October on a maybe from Randy.

Randy will only be p*ssed if Tim wins.
I think he is talking more about how easily Tim was let go from his contract no questions ased, under closely the exact same circumstances, 1 fight left ect. And Randy is going through hell.

And I think the only thing Tim has going for him if this fight happens is a punchers chance. If he can catch Fedor like Fujita did... well...
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isn't Fedor like, the world's best Sambo fighter? or am I way off?
No I think that's a pretty fair statement to make
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Schilt and Choi really aren't different strikers. Sure, Schilt uses kicks more, but ultimately he uses his reach like Tim to create an undeniable advantage over his opponents.

I don't understand what you mean by Sylvia is bigger than Schilt, because he's not. Semmy when he fought in the UFC was 6'10", 258lbs and Tim Sylvia in his last fight Nogueira was only 3lbs heavier. Tim has better takedown defense than Semmy, but really not by much.

Vera's wrist was also broken early in that fight, which definitely could have factored into his inability to take Tim down. Even then, when Vera used a leg-trip he put Tim on his ass, supporting the point I've been driving home all along: Tim Sylvia has a good sprawl, but abysmal defense to leg trips.




Brandon Vera is nowhere near as explosive as Fedor, and Fedor is a world-class Sambo practioner who feels just fine inside the clinch. If you look at his accolades as a Sambo competitor, they're higher than Randy's and Vera's as wrestlers.




I agree, I don't think people are giving Tim credit. With that said, he's going to get dominated on the ground by a much more explosive fighter, with a top game more dangerous than Nogueira's.
Tim is much faster than Choi who is a poor techinical striker and is really just powerful. Tim throws way more jabs than Schilt.

Also Schilt is a toothpick while Sylvia is a bigger fellow. It's much easier to trip a toothpick than a fatty.

Abysmal is a tough word. I mean the guy has faced a lot of guys with good takedowns and no one really seems to take him down at will apart from his fight with Randy which is hard to look at due to Sylvia's back.

But it's not Sambo it's MMA. And his size is a huge advantage. If Vera who is an excellent wrestler only took him down once I think it's fair to say Tim isn't horrible against leg trips since Vera tried a couple.

It is a more dangerous top game but it's also a different top game. I mean it's not the same attack he is going to be facing.
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But it's not Sambo it's MMA. And his size is a huge advantage. If Vera who is an excellent wrestler only took him down once I think it's fair to say Tim isn't horrible against leg trips since Vera tried a couple.
What makes you think Vera is an excellent wrestler?
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How many times did Nogeuria get Tim to the ground before that though and try to sub him there? Face it, Tim has solid sub-defense and Big Nog had to do a leg sweep into a guillotine to finish him off, quick and smooth, something I don't see Fedor doing to Tim.

Fedor is unreal a submissions but most of you make it sound like Tim is going to have his arm held out waiting for Fedor to break it off. Tim is going to give Fedor the biggest challenge he's faced in sometime and make him work for the submission just like he made Big Nog do.

I like Tim's chances and I think a lot of Fedor lovers are going to cry watching Tim win a UD!!!
Nog only got him to the ground one time, and that was when Big Tim got sub'd. That's why I'm saying Tim's sub-defense isn't great. Also, I think Fedor will have a much easier time taking Sylvia down then Nog, because he's more explosive and doesn't go for single or double leg takedowns.

He might not have his arm out there for Fedor to sub, but after taking some vicious GnP I'm sure he'll forget that his arm is sticking out and by then it'll be too late.
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isn't Fedor like, the world's best Sambo fighter? or am I way off?
Yeah, that's another way of putting it! I was just trying to make the disparity between Fedor's credentials in Sambo and both Couture's and Vera's in wrestling clear


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Tim is much faster than Choi who is a poor techinical striker and is really just powerful. Tim throws way more jabs than Schilt.
Tim's faster than Choi, but Semmy's no slouch with his hands either and Fedor got inside on him just fine. Hell, even without his hands Semmy could just use his knees and Fedor dealt with him accordingly.

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Also Schilt is a toothpick while Sylvia is a bigger fellow. It's much easier to trip a toothpick than a fatty.
Tim Sylvia has skinny, awkward legs. If I had to equate Tim's stance to a Disney character, I'd have to fuse his lower-half with Bambi and his upper half with Shrek.

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Abysmal is a tough word. I mean the guy has faced a lot of guys with good takedowns and no one really seems to take him down at will apart from his fight with Randy which is hard to look at due to Sylvia's back.
You're right, abysmal is a strong word. However, it's certainly not good. Every time a fighter has introduced leg-trips against Tim, his awkward build has been of detriment.

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But it's not Sambo it's MMA. And his size is a huge advantage. If Vera who is an excellent wrestler only took him down once I think it's fair to say Tim isn't horrible against leg trips since Vera tried a couple.
Combat Sambo is pretty much judo, and Brandon Vera took Sylvia down with a leg-trip which is generally a judo/Sambo move. Why do you think Vera could pull that off, and think Fedor would have trouble when he's the best at Sambo in the present age?

My point is Vera went 1 for 1 with the leg-trips against the cage, Randy took Tim down with a leg-trip, and so did Nogueira. Tim Sylvia's lanky awkward legs are apt to getting tangled in close quarters, especially against those versed in trip-based martial arts such as sambo and judo.


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It is a more dangerous top game but it's also a different top game. I mean it's not the same attack he is going to be facing.
It's different in that Fedor can pummel you retarded inside the guard, outside the guard, and submit you as well. That's a lot of stuff to worry about, and I think Tim knows it.
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