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**wukkadb** · 04-09-2008, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bbjd7

Wrestled in college and for the Air Force at the Olympic training center. But excellent should probably be changed to very good.

from wikipedia...

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[Vera] attended Lake Taylor High School, where he excelled in wrestling and earned a four-year athletic scholarship to Old Dominion University. He however dropped out of Old Dominion after a year and a half when he felt college was not for him, and he enlisted in the United States Air Force.

In the Air Force, he joined the force's wrestling team and trained at the US Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, Colorado. His military wrestling career was cut short in 1999 when he shred ligaments in his right elbow. Arthroscopic surgery repaired the ligaments but he had nerve damage from the experience, causing him to be unable to use his right arm. He was released from the Air Force on a medical discharge.

Meh...

bbjd7 · 04-09-2008, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Fedor>all

Tim Sylvia has skinny, awkward legs. If I had to equate Tim's stance to a Disney character, I'd have to fuse his lower-half with Bambi and his upper half with Shrek.

You're right, abysmal is a strong word. However, it's certainly not good. Every time a fighter has introduced leg-trips against Tim, his awkward build has been of detriment.

Combat Sambo is pretty much judo, and Brandon Vera took Sylvia down with a leg-trip which is generally a judo/Sambo move. Why do you think Vera could pull that off, and think Fedor would have trouble when he's the best at Sambo in the present age?

My point is Vera went 1 for 1 with the leg-trips against the cage, Randy took Tim down with a leg-trip, and so did Nogueira. Tim Sylvia's lanky awkward legs are apt to getting tangled in close quarters, especially against those versed in trip-based martial arts such as sambo and judo.

It's different in that Fedor can pummel you retarded inside the guard, outside the guard, and submit you as well. That's a lot of stuff to worry about, and I think Tim knows it.

Gettin inside on Schilt isn't exactly something that is that hard to do. I mean a lot of guys have gotten inside on him in MMA while Sylvia has made a career and won two titles by keeping guys at a distance.

Are you sure that Vera was 1 for 1 because I seem to remember him attempting more than 1 takedown and Sylvia stopping him at least once but maybe I'm off base.

I don't think he can get inside but if he does Sylvia does have the size advantage to pin Fedor up against the cage which is a spot he won't be able to really trip from.

I agree but agaisnt a guy with such long arms it is a lot harder to pummel him in his guard especially if Sylvia can control his posture using his size.

Wukka Wrestling in college and then for the Air Force would at least IMO be pretty good wrestling and in the HW divison which has maybe 4 wrestlers it's defiantly pretty good.

**chilo** · 04-09-2008, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by bbjd7

Tim is much faster than Choi who is a poor techinical striker and is really just powerful. Tim throws way more jabs than Schilt.

Also Schilt is a toothpick while Sylvia is a bigger fellow. It's much easier to trip a toothpick than a fatty.

Abysmal is a tough word. I mean the guy has faced a lot of guys with good takedowns and no one really seems to take him down at will apart from his fight with Randy which is hard to look at due to Sylvia's back.

But it's not Sambo it's MMA. And his size is a huge advantage. If Vera who is an excellent wrestler only took him down once I think it's fair to say Tim isn't horrible against leg trips since Vera tried a couple.

It is a more dangerous top game but it's also a different top game. I mean it's not the same attack he is going to be facing.

come on dude, all tim throws are jabs straight down the middle... and randy showed everyone exactly that and how to beat it. i swear you guys really need to watch more fedor fights, you might think he has sloppy hands but in reality he doesn't. he was throwing nice combos at coleman in that last fight between them and the only reason he missed on some is cause coleman overwhelmed and was turning his back cause he couldnt' take the power.

bbjd7 · 04-09-2008, 01:39 AM

I think Fedor has pretty good stand up actually however to judge Sylvia off the Couture fight when he didn't belong in the cage doesn't make much sense. I mean the guy had a injury that made Serra not only unable to fight but unable to get on a plane and fly to Vegas.

**chilo** · 04-09-2008, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bbjd7

I think Fedor has pretty good stand up actually however to judge Sylvia off the Couture fight when he didn't belong in the cage doesn't make much sense. I mean the guy had a injury that made Serra not only unable to fight but unable to get on a plane and fly to Vegas.

well then go rewatch his fight with nogueira, you will see that all he did was throw down the middle over and over. nogueira was getting beat cause he had no head movement. tim sylvia is a one dimensional fighter while fedor is the whole package, and there is no denying that.

and thats why 80% of the voters think fedor will win this fight.

Fedor>all · 04-09-2008, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bbjd7

Gettin inside on Schilt isn't exactly something that is that hard to do. I mean a lot of guys have gotten inside on him in MMA while Sylvia has made a career and won two titles by keeping guys at a distance.

Yes, and he lost his title to a substantially smaller fighter that effectively got inside on him after opening with strikes. You can say Tim didn't belong in the cage for that fight, but in reality, his back had nothing to do with him dropping his hand after an inside leg kick, and eating a massive punch. Tim's fight with Randy was over the moment he was rocked, not just because Randy manipulated Tim's injury.

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Originally Posted by bbjd7

Are you sure that Vera was 1 for 1 because I seem to remember him attempting more than 1 takedown and Sylvia stopping him at least once but maybe I'm off base.

He went for numerous takedowns, but he only went for one leg-trip the entire fight and it paid off.. too bad for him it was near the end of the round (if I remember correctly).

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Originally Posted by bbjd7

I don't think he can get inside but if he does Sylvia does have the size advantage to pin Fedor up against the cage which is a spot he won't be able to really trip from.

Yes, the cage could play a tactical if the fight takes place in it. I just think Tim's fought everything Tim offers before. He's beaten bigger/more powerful/quicker strikers in Choi/Cro Cop, he's fought better wrestlers in Coleman/Randleman, and he's battled against guys with much better ground games such as Nogueira.

Tim Sylvia doesn't possess the luxury of having experienced a fight with a World Combat Sambo champion, nor has he faced someone as explosive as Fedor on the mat.

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I agree but agaisnt a guy with such long arms it is a lot harder to pummel him in his guard especially if Sylvia can control his posture using his size.

Definitely hard, for sure. But it's also very hard to sit in Nogueira's guard, and beat his face in for 20 minutes too, and Fedor did that 2 times.

Adasko · 04-09-2008, 03:56 AM

How can anyone be sure of Tim's win over Fedor ???
It simply not going to happen...

and i'm not one of those Silvia's haters

**Manx** · 04-09-2008, 05:15 AM

I think Sylvia is a worthy opponent, but his only real chance to win this fight is to bust open the old scar tissue over Fedor's right eye and get a stoppage. I don't see him doing this just by jabbing Fedor to death, so he better cook up a new gameplan or he'll find his arm straightened out rather quickly...