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Old 04-18-2008, 09:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I think the Elite CBS card is bad for MMA.

I'm gonna get flamed for this, but hear me out.

Thia card could potentially reach some new audience, some that might view MMA/elite for the first time, and this card is terrible for potentially new MMA fans. Here are my reasons.

1. Strikers VS Strikers: Yeah we could get some good stand ups, and exiting knockouts. But for some people it will be nothing more than guys punching each other and bloody noses. Where's the ground fighters, the wrestlers, the technique. This card should have been IMO, striker VS wrestler, BJJ VS Judo ect ect. Some new fans might get use to this kind of matches and when they see Frank Shamrock fight on the groud, these are the kind of people that will boo.

2. Title Match not in Main event: Championship matches should always be the main event, unless there is more than one championship on a card you could get away with a non title match between the two. But really, how important is the middleweight title when a guy that 2-0 is given more importance from organization?

3. All about Kimbo: I like watching the guy, he's got potential, but they need to stop hyping him as a street fighter. That's bad for MMA. This sport is way more classier than a street fight, which is illegal by the way!! A youtube street fighter turned pro MMA fighter gives the kids a bad message.


I had a few more points for I forgot a few. Let me know what you think.

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Old 04-18-2008, 01:33 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think that this is exactly what EliteXC needs right now.
A full broadcasting of sorts to reach the majority. Kimbo does have star-power currently and people want to see him at the moment.

Is he hype? We'll just have to wait and see. Striker VS Striker, That always makes for a good shootout and a great show. New fans will either be able to embrace the BJJ aspect or boo it in the future. If they don't appreciate it, Than they aren't understanding the logic of MMA and there's not much than can be done for their mentality.

Professional fighting is in such a transitional stage at this point and I don't see MMA going anywhere. Though the critics talk, (which they always will) The athletes are coming in abundance and the seats are getting filled. This is a sport that is growing and progressing. In my opinion the CBS deal is a symbol of the mainstream power of this sport and the growth of MMA.

With that said I on a personal note wonder if my grandchildren will look up at me 30 years down the line and make fun of me because we used to watch Boxing.
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Old 04-18-2008, 02:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think you're both right and wrong.

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The card presents almost a false representation of what MMA truly is by: piggy-backing on Kimbo's popularity and loading the card up with strikers.

Wrong:
The purpose is not to be "true to MMA form" so-to-speak. It's to attract viewers. It's like someone said in another thread about teaching people about MMA: you don't show them Griffin vs. Edgar first, but show them Bonnar vs. Griffin or even Silva vs. Liddell. The average viewer isn't going to understand the nuances of the ground game/clinch game... but everyone can enjoy a slugfest. Draw them in with the stand-up battles then start explaining the beauty of the other aspects of fighting that make MMA great.

That being said, MMA isn't just a one dimensional sport and because of that you can't simply attribute someone to being a pure-striker anymore. Nowadays, to be good you have to be able to do everything. Not to mention if a "striker" is losing a stand-up battle then he's likely to attempt a takedown which does change the entire dynamic of the game. So the potential for a great battle is there to draw the MMA aficionados out to watch, while also placing draw on the general population.
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Old 04-18-2008, 02:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Striker vs Striker is exactly what they should do. The sport blew up because of fights like Forrest vs Bonnar and the Couture vs Liddell fights all of which took place for the most part on their feet.

The main event should be Kimbo since a lot of people who know Kimbo from Youtube will tune in just to see Kimbo so by putting him in the amin event you ensure that Lawler gets seen by more people.

Kimbo was a street fighter and Elite XC is using that just like the UFC is using the fact Brock was a pro wrestler to hype him. Is it a great idea to make it seem like a pro wrestler and a street fighter can compete at the top levels of MMA. NO. But it is a great business decision.
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I don't like how they are saying how Kimbo used to be an ex street fighter, that is sending the wrong message about mma.
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I don't like how they are saying how Kimbo used to be an ex street fighter, that is sending the wrong message about mma.
Actually its quite the opposite of that. It sends the message that mma helped turn a mans life around. Kimbos not running the streets anymore. Hes in the gym now working on a legit career. Love him or hate him, Kimbo is who people want to see.
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1. Strikers VS Strikers: Yeah we could get some good stand ups, and exiting knockouts. But for some people it will be nothing more than guys punching each other and bloody noses. Where's the ground fighters, the wrestlers, the technique.
2. Title Match not in Main event: Championship matches should always be the main event, unless there is more than one championship on a card you could get away with a non title match between the two. But really, how important is the middleweight title when a guy that 2-0 is given more importance from organization?


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First off, there is A LOT of technique in striking. Footwork, the way you throw punches, head movement, counters, how you cover up, combinations, etc...

You are totally right on the main event. Robbie Lawler is an exciting bad ass and more importantly he is the middleweight champ. How the hell a guy with 2 pro fights gets the nod at main event is ridiculous to me. Yeah, he is more recognizable and has a huge following but the fight should have been billed as co main-event and still marketed heavily but title fights should be main events.
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Actually its quite the opposite of that. It sends the message that mma helped turn a mans life around. Kimbos not running the streets anymore. Hes in the gym now working on a legit career. Love him or hate him, Kimbo is who people want to see.
Thats a totally different story, that could happen in any sport.
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Kamikaze if you put Lawler as the main event and Kimbo loses or has a boring fight than a lot of people will turn off their TV's before the Main Event.
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Kamikaze if you put Lawler as the main event and Kimbo loses or has a boring fight than a lot of people will turn off their TV's before the Main Event.
I have to agree with you.* People are at this point truely enfatuated with the Kimbo aspect.* Save that one for last and put on a hell of a show before hand.
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