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Old 05-01-2008, 04:58 PM   #21 (permalink)
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No, I'm saying that Liddell said Ferguson needs to fight someone meaningful to prove himself, and Ferguson agreed to those terms. He also said that anyone that has a problem with him should see him about it, not anyone else. That's a far cry from 'I will beat anyone mma can throw at me' and 'I'm the best,' wouldn't you agree?
Really??? So who is he fighting to prove himself? James Thompson? Considering the outcome of JT's last two fights it doesn't look like Kimbo's stepping it up to me. Yet he is main eventing, portraying himself as a legitimate fighter.
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Old 05-01-2008, 05:04 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Really??? So who is he fighting to prove himself? James Thompson? Considering the outcome of JT's last two fights it doesn't look like Kimbo's stepping it up to me. Yet he is main eventing, portraying himself as a legitimate fighter.
Did I ever say Ferguson had fought top level fighters? Whether or not Liddell made a valid point, which he did, isn't relevant to whether or not Ferguson is going around claiming to be better than every other fighter.

As for main event status, last time I checked, that wasn't up to the fighter, unless you're suggesting that the only way for Ferguson to satisfy your humility requirement is to refuse main event status until internet fans and/or The Iceman declare him legitimate.
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Conjure seems like the appropriate word :
Yet by your own admission, you've failed to 'conjure' any evidence that supports this supposed 'fact.' Things that can be shown to be true are facts. Things that can't are matters of belief (see your next statement).

Perhaps that's because you're convinced your two cents is worth a fortune?

Again, the connection between the two videos are that they are both commercials, not interviews. In both cases, those involved are basing their words and actions on a predefined script.

Again, it's your flawed logic that leads us to those conclusions about Silva and Coleman.

'Shown the proper way to address the media?' 'Beginning to display?'

One of the interviews I quoted took place before his first mma fight. When do your illusory interviews take place, grade school?


I am encouraged to know that you cracked open a dictionary to reply to my comment. That in itself is a useless gesture since I was aware of the meaning of the word that I used. The roll eyes smiley was also remenisent of grade school, which is not where my "illusory" interviews take place. But the gesture confirms your mind state.

I do recall a few bullheaded interviews which included Kimbos boasting. And as I stated, this is where I formed my beleifs on his mindstate in reguards to his fighting stature.

The Silva comment was made by you. Your fingers did the walking when questioning his preferences. So I am entertained by the notion that you would reflect that comment on me by calling it my "flawed logic" If it makes you feel better about the issue, I'll foot the bill on it and it will be our secret.

If my two cents were worth a fortune........(and you can quote me on the last sentence, that's why I left the space)
I'd bet that fortune on Kimbo's first loss in his next 2 fights after Thompson. Keep punching away at your keyboard, and you're liable to make a valid point in this discussion. Even a blind person will bump into something sometimes.
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Why are you getting mad at Kimbo for what he is paid? Why don't you get mad at Dana White for paying his fighters shitty? Morons.
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Did I ever say Ferguson had fought top level fighters?
No, you said:
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I'm saying that Liddell said Ferguson needs to fight someone meaningful to prove himself, and Ferguson agreed to those terms
And since he agreed, I'm asking who is he fighting that's meaningful to prove himself? JT is coming off of 2 straight KO losses in the first round.

I don't have to argue that Kimbo is or is not claiming to be top-tier or a contender. I think his claim as being "LEGITIMATE" in MMA is a joke. Are you going to argue now that he doesn't claim to be a legitimate fighter?

I know amateur competition that could mop the floor with the people he's fought. And Kimbo gets six figures a fight. Not only is he not a contender, or a top tier or even middle-tier opponent, I haven't seen him display anything (including a drive to fight tougher competition such as Rodgers, Ricco, etc.) that would place him near a legitimate fighter. The dude's a freak show.
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I am encouraged to know that you cracked open a dictionary to reply to my comment. That in itself is a useless gesture since I was aware of the meaning of the word that I used.
One would certainly hope so.

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The roll eyes smiley was also remenisent of grade school, which is not where my "illusory" interviews take place. But the gesture confirms your mind state.
Sumthing abuot you're posts reminds me of grade school two but I can't put my finger on it.

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I do recall a few bullheaded interviews which included Kimbos boasting. And as I stated, this is where I formed my beleifs on his mindstate in reguards to his fighting stature.
Yet, despite the vast resources of the internet, you can't manage one reference to them beyond your own insistence.

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The Silva comment was made by you. Your fingers did the walking when questioning his preferences. So I am entertained by the notion that you would reflect that comment on me by calling it my "flawed logic" If it makes you feel better about the issue, I'll foot the bill on it and it will be our secret.
I never denied making the statements about Silva and Coleman. Reread my previous post as often as it takes.

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If my two cents were worth a fortune........(and you can quote me on the last sentence, that's why I left the space)
I'd bet that fortune on Kimbo's first loss in his next 2 fights after Thompson.
I never said Ferguson would beat Thompson, much less his next two opponents, whoever they might be.

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Keep punching away at your keyboard, and you're liable to make a valid point in this discussion. Even a blind person will bump into something sometimes.
Some might say you proved that a few posts ago when making a point about me:
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http://www.mmaforum.com/535477-post19.html
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Old 05-01-2008, 05:24 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Why are you getting mad at Kimbo for what he is paid? Why don't you get mad at Dana White for paying his fighters shitty? Morons.
Why? It's not DW's fault.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kimbo's the highest paid fighter at EXC. I'm mad at that because he did nothing noteworthy to get there and now that he's there, he is hardly fighting better competition than he found on the street.

He's making a buck off of the popularity of a sport that real athletes worked very hard to bring excitement and class too IMO.
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No, you said:


And since he agreed, I'm asking who is he fighting that's meaningful to prove himself? JT is coming off of 2 straight KO losses in the first round.
Ferguson doesn't matchmake anymore than Liddell does.

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I don't have to argue that Kimbo is or is not claiming to be top-tier or a contender. I think his claim as being "LEGITIMATE" in MMA is a joke. Are you going to argue now that he doesn't claim to be a legitimate fighter?
Define 'legitimate MMA fighter.'

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I know amateur competition that could mop the floor with the people he's fought.
Ferguson mopped the floor with them, too, and are you arguing that no amateur level fighters are legitimate MMA fighters?

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And Kimbo gets six figures a fight. Not only is he not a contender, or a top tier or even middle-tier opponent, I haven't seen him display anything (including a drive to fight tougher competition such as Rodgers, Ricco, etc.) that would place him near a legitimate fighter. The dude's a freak show.
How is that relevant, other than that it explains why some people hate him so much?
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One would certainly hope so.

Sumthing abuot you're posts reminds me of grade school two but I can't put my finger on it.

Yet, despite the vast resources of the internet, you can't manage one reference to them beyond your own insistence.

I never denied making the statements about Silva and Coleman. Reread my previous post as often as it takes.

I never said Ferguson would beat Thompson, much less his next two opponents, whoever they might be.

Some might say you proved that a few posts ago when making a point about me:

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Ferguson doesn't matchmake anymore than Liddell does.
Then why is he challenging Liddell to a fight on the internet.

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Define 'legitimate MMA fighter.'
One who intends to better and test themselves by fighting tough competition.

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Ferguson mopped the floor with them, too, and are you arguing that no amateur level fighters are legitimate MMA fighters?
I'm arguing that he gets paid six figures a fight to do something that amateur level fighters can do. Isn't he supposed to be a professional?

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How is that relevant, other than that it explains why some people hate him so much?
Because you claimed that Kimbo agreed to fight 'meaningful' competition. It's right there in the same organization that he is. Yet, he's still fighting matches tailor-made for him.
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