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Old 05-02-2008, 08:06 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Why? It's not DW's fault.

I wouldn't be surprised if Kimbo's the highest paid fighter at EXC. I'm mad at that because he did nothing noteworthy to get there and now that he's there, he is hardly fighting better competition than he found on the street.

He's making a buck off of the popularity of a sport that real athletes worked very hard to bring excitement and class too IMO.
He doesn't write his own checks, and he doesn't pick his fights, he fights the people he is given, so why complain about Kimbo? Why don't you complain about the management of EliteXC?
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Old 05-02-2008, 09:00 AM   #42 (permalink)
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stitch1z, you should concede defeat. There's no shame in losing a debate, where the point is to intelligently utilize facts to support your opinions. In this thread, you've made a lot of assertions and have opinions based on emotion and likes and dislikes.

Your dislike for Kimbo is so glaring that is prohibits you from admitting when facts are presented to refute your statements.

This thread has proven that:
  • Kimbo makes obscene money for potentially safe fights that allow him to develop as a fighter.
  • Kimbo is in this position due to his high level marketability.
  • Lidell trash talked Kimbo and Kimbo called out Chuck to settle it man to man.
  • Kimbo is not a promoter or matchmaker.
Who wouldn't try to earn as much as they possibly could for fighting? Every fighter is trying to do that. To call out Kimbo for being able to make good money based on years of fighting in the streets is dumbfounding.

And to expect a guy who was a total amateur, a street fighter, to fight top tier competition within his first three fights is ridiculous. I'm not so sure that Tank Abbot was the easiest fight out there for a rookie. Tank has tons of experience, and Kimbo rolled through the veteran.

Anyway, without any intended disrespect, as an outsider who read all of the posts in this thread, it is my "opinion" that jasvll has won every area of this debate multiple times.

Thanks for a fun read guys
I'm not disagreeing to be difficult, it's just my belief:
  • I don't believe that anyone Kimbo has fought thus far would help ANYONE develop as a fighter ( A 46-yr-old ex boxer, a 10-10 fighter that's gone down in the first 30 seconds on several occasions, and an aged Tank Aboot that has lost 7 of his 8 bouts in this decade)
  • I never argued that Kimbo wasn't where he is because of his marketability, in fact, I think that's the absolute only reason he's there. As an entertainer.
  • Liddell hardly trash-talked Kimbo. However, Ricco called Kimbo a "Dancing Monkey" and "Tomato Can" and Buentello accused him of fighting people he already knocked out. Yet, Kimbo had nothing to say about that. Liddell didn't talk trash, he stated facts... Then Kimbo issues a "warning"
  • I realize he's not a matchmaker. So why is he calling out Liddell?

It's just my opinion. The guy has shown no skill to speak of (other than some amateur boxing skill and a sloppy guillotine). He looks scary and he fights people that make him look even scarier. But as a fighter, I see no reason to show him any respect.

Once again, I have not accused Kimbo of being arrogant!
I've accused him of being ignorant.
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Old 05-02-2008, 09:13 AM   #43 (permalink)
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He doesn't write his own checks, and he doesn't pick his fights, he fights the people he is given, so why complain about Kimbo? Why don't you complain about the management of EliteXC?
Because it didn't come up, but obviously I have some problem with EXC's management... And that problem is Kimbo.
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stitch1z, you should concede defeat. There's no shame in losing a debate, where the point is to intelligently utilize facts to support your opinions. In this thread, you've made a lot of assertions and have opinions based on emotion and likes and dislikes.

Your dislike for Kimbo is so glaring that is prohibits you from admitting when facts are presented to refute your statements.

This thread has proven that:
  • Kimbo makes obscene money for potentially safe fights that allow him to develop as a fighter.
  • Kimbo is in this position due to his high level marketability.
  • Lidell trash talked Kimbo and Kimbo called out Chuck to settle it man to man.
  • Kimbo is not a promoter or matchmaker.
Who wouldn't try to earn as much as they possibly could for fighting? Every fighter is trying to do that. To call out Kimbo for being able to make good money based on years of fighting in the streets is dumbfounding.

And to expect a guy who was a total amateur, a street fighter, to fight top tier competition within his first three fights is ridiculous. I'm not so sure that Tank Abbot was the easiest fight out there for a rookie. Tank has tons of experience, and Kimbo rolled through the veteran.

Anyway, without any intended disrespect, as an outsider who read all of the posts in this thread, it is my "opinion" that jasvll has won every area of this debate multiple times.

Thanks for a fun read guys
Who's to say "stitch1z" should concede anything? Let him discuss what he chooses to. Hence the prase "forum". If you want to give advice, talk to yourself in the mirror.

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Old 05-02-2008, 11:56 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I actually think Tank is severely underrated, mostly because he should hang retired long ago, before his training regimen, or lack thereof, caught up with him.
But when you look at the first half of his career, he did accomplish quite a bit in his day...

• He smashed Paul Varelans, a UFC tournament finalist, in about 12 minutes less than the legendary Marco Ruas did.

• He went nearly 18 minutes with Oleg and gave us the first great fight in UFC. As far as cardio goes, he was actually in better condition than Oleg after the fight.

• He destroyed Steve Jennum, who you'll recall was a UFC tournament champion.

• He went the distance with Dan Severn, when Dan was the dominant fighter in UFC behind Royce Gracie.

• Knocked out Cabbage quicker than either Sylvia or Arlovski. That's saying something.

His striking and wrestling were fairly solid for his day. His crude GnP was pretty effective, as well.
Then, sure, guys came along who were better, and like a lot of guys, he fell behind.
Tank never had the conditioning or the work ethic to match his strength and punching power, but he wasn't the talentless hack he gets made out to be.

Great post and the truth is we will not know who was better in their prime, mainly because Kimbo hasn't had his prime yet. Kimbo, while not young, is just getting into MMA and fighting 2nd tier guys. Tank fought the best back when the best was far better than the 2nd tier.

This discussion is really about 5-10 years from being positively determined. Let's just sit back and see if Kimbo actually keeps beating guys, because as of now I haven't seen anyone take his punches in an MMA ring and keep going. That's a bit shocking after watching Gannon eat his punches for what seemed like an eternity.
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stitch1z, you should concede defeat. There's no shame in losing a debate, where the point is to intelligently utilize facts to support your opinions. In this thread, you've made a lot of assertions and have opinions based on emotion and likes and dislikes.

Your dislike for Kimbo is so glaring that is prohibits you from admitting when facts are presented to refute your statements.

This thread has proven that:
  • Kimbo makes obscene money for potentially safe fights that allow him to develop as a fighter.
  • Kimbo is in this position due to his high level marketability.
  • Lidell trash talked Kimbo and Kimbo called out Chuck to settle it man to man.
  • Kimbo is not a promoter or matchmaker.
Who wouldn't try to earn as much as they possibly could for fighting? Every fighter is trying to do that. To call out Kimbo for being able to make good money based on years of fighting in the streets is dumbfounding.

And to expect a guy who was a total amateur, a street fighter, to fight top tier competition within his first three fights is ridiculous. I'm not so sure that Tank Abbot was the easiest fight out there for a rookie. Tank has tons of experience, and Kimbo rolled through the veteran.

Anyway, without any intended disrespect, as an outsider who read all of the posts in this thread, it is my "opinion" that jasvll has won every area of this debate multiple times.

Thanks for a fun read guys
must completely agree with you.. awesome read, read all of them.. but i agree, jasvll appears to have won, but still a job well done stitch..

i cannot wait til may 31st. i want to see this fight go to the ground and hopefully by some miracle, kimbo bust out some master wrestling skills hahah, dunno how.. but everyone can dream eh?
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All I will say is that Kimbo's image needs a lot of work and financially rewarding someone due to their infamous bare knuckle boxing ( lets face it, it aint streetfighting. They dont even allow knees ) career could set a dangerous precedent.
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Because it didn't come up, but obviously I have some problem with EXC's management... And that problem is Kimbo.
What? Are you upset because millions of people know Kimbo? And now that he's in MMA, they are watching MMA, too? Are you mad because Kimbo is just trying to make money fighting people? Or are you mad because Kimbo is one of the biggest names in MMA next to the UFC? You might not think so, but look, almost everyone on this forum knows who Kimbo is, and I betcha a lot of people who don't follow MMA know who the hell Kimbo is. Kimbo fought people in the street, so what? Wasn't Chuck involved in a brawl in a bar where he was, quote; "Had his back against the wall just knocking guys out right and left." ? I don't understand why you're angry at Kimbo for trying to make a living with what he thinks he knows best. Jesus Christ, the guy has 2 MMA fights under his belt (I think the Mercer one didn't count) and you people are already undermining him.
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What? Are you upset because millions of people know Kimbo? And now that he's in MMA, they are watching MMA, too? Are you mad because Kimbo is just trying to make money fighting people? Or are you mad because Kimbo is one of the biggest names in MMA next to the UFC? You might not think so, but look, almost everyone on this forum knows who Kimbo is, and I betcha a lot of people who don't follow MMA know who the hell Kimbo is. Kimbo fought people in the street, so what? Wasn't Chuck involved in a brawl in a bar where he was, quote; "Had his back against the wall just knocking guys out right and left." ? I don't understand why you're angry at Kimbo for trying to make a living with what he thinks he knows best. Jesus Christ, the guy has 2 MMA fights under his belt (I think the Mercer one didn't count) and you people are already undermining him.
Bro, it's just my opinion. I don't think he's shown any skill to speak of other than a sloppy guillotine, some mediocre boxing, and heavy hands. I also think his attitude, personna, and background are bad for MMA. And I think he's had easier competition than most amateur fighters have to start out with.
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