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stitch1z 05-02-2008 05:22 PM

What if NHB fighting were as popular today as MMA?
 
Wouldn't it be hella frightening if the same well-rounded skill level of todays top level MMA athletes were fighting in the old school "No Rules" UFC match-ups?

Just for fun, who do you think in today's MMA would prosper in No Rules match-ups? Who do you think would do terribly even though they might be doing well in today's version by using the rules that are in place to their advantage?

Do you think people would die? lol.

name goes here 05-03-2008 03:31 AM

I've watched some old 'no rules' fights (videos) and some vale tudo vids. The basics stay the same. Without the round breaks, cardio is more important. Headbutts do not add as much as you imagine - yes Kerr used them well, but he was fighting uneducated opponents. I haven't seen anyone attack the groin - seems to be a gentleman's agreement.

Fedor>all 05-03-2008 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by name goes here (Post 536587)
I've watched some old 'no rules' fights (videos) and some vale tudo vids. The basics stay the same. Without the round breaks, cardio is more important. Headbutts do not add as much as you imagine - yes Kerr used them well, but he was fighting uneducated opponents. I haven't seen anyone attack the groin - seems to be a gentleman's agreement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Dz8arDKs4

Well, you can't say that anymore! lol

Couchwarrior 05-03-2008 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by stitch1z (Post 536183)
Wouldn't it be hella frightening if the same well-rounded skill level of todays top level MMA athletes were fighting in the old school "No Rules" UFC match-ups?

I'm not so sure about that, because today's MMA fighters are also a lot better at defending themselves than the early UFC contender. They were quite easily taken out of their comfort zone, and after that they didn't know how to avoid damage, and that's a big reason why many fights at the time were so short and brutal.

stitch1z 05-03-2008 10:10 AM

Kicks and stomps on the ground would make a difference to any sloppy wrestlers in the UFC. lol

doburg717 05-03-2008 10:30 AM

the world champion would probably be the best person at attacking the groin, a slight tap to the balls floors me easily, i cant imagine how bad a full on kick would be

piratedanger 05-03-2008 09:33 PM

For me its pretty hard to say, who knows how certain guys would react to hair pulling and low blows, etc.
I mean look at when somebody catches a low blow these days, most of them drop like babies.

The no wrapped wrists or gloves would mess up a lot of peoples punches also. Elbows and head kicks to the ground....


Man I don't know. I think they are sort of two different entities and you can't really compare the two too much.
A lot of those old school guys would never make it with the new rules and a lot of new school guys would never make it in the brutal days.

name goes here 05-04-2008 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by piratedanger (Post 536932)
For me its pretty hard to say, who knows how certain guys would react to hair pulling and low blows, etc.
I mean look at when somebody catches a low blow these days, most of them drop like babies.

The no wrapped wrists or gloves would mess up a lot of peoples punches also. Elbows and head kicks to the ground....


Man I don't know. I think they are sort of two different entities and you can't really compare the two too much.
A lot of those old school guys would never make it with the new rules and a lot of new school guys would never make it in the brutal days.

The no wraps, doesn't change things much. The main effect is to shorten careers, not to change the action in a fight.

Ground fighting does go quicker with strikes to the back of the head allowed - because there is less opportunity to turtle.

Ball strikes stop the fight because the fighter can take a break. If they don't, they will fight on - though they won't like it. The main effect would just be a rise in long term nut injuries.

Most of the things you are worried about - when they are expected they are protected against. The main difference would be less stalls.

A big difference would be front chokes.

The fighters who are at the top now - would be at the top of a nhb league too.

Steroids or no steroids would be the real deciding factor :thumb02:

joppp 05-04-2008 06:27 AM

People like Rampage, Anderson Silva and Fedor, who seems originally bad ass, would still kick ass IMO...

But also: without gloves, a grappler can work much better chokes.

name goes here 05-04-2008 10:53 AM

Yeah the one thing I notice watching vale tudo - is that the ground is more dangerous, no gloves to hold, with headbutts it's harder to find a safe place to stop, allowed to hit the back of the head means no turtling. If front chokes where allowed too, that would mean another advantage.


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