What if NHB fighting were as popular today as MMA? - MMA Forum - UFC Forums - UFC Results - MMA Videos
General MMA Discussion Discuss King Of The Cage, Ultimate Challenge UK, and HDNet Fights as well as general mixed martial arts discussion.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 05-02-2008, 04:22 PM Thread Starter
Cheesy Poofs
 
stitch1z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,588
                     
What if NHB fighting were as popular today as MMA?

Wouldn't it be hella frightening if the same well-rounded skill level of todays top level MMA athletes were fighting in the old school "No Rules" UFC match-ups?

Just for fun, who do you think in today's MMA would prosper in No Rules match-ups? Who do you think would do terribly even though they might be doing well in today's version by using the rules that are in place to their advantage?

Do you think people would die? lol.




Don Frye's Mustache > Kimbo's Beard
stitch1z is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old 05-03-2008, 02:31 AM
Light Heavyweight
 
name goes here's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: London England
Posts: 3,300
                     
I've watched some old 'no rules' fights (videos) and some vale tudo vids. The basics stay the same. Without the round breaks, cardio is more important. Headbutts do not add as much as you imagine - yes Kerr used them well, but he was fighting uneducated opponents. I haven't seen anyone attack the groin - seems to be a gentleman's agreement.

name goes here is offline  
post #3 of 12 (permalink) Old 05-03-2008, 02:50 AM
Banned
 
Fedor>all's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Cambridge, ON
Posts: 8,796
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by name goes here View Post
I've watched some old 'no rules' fights (videos) and some vale tudo vids. The basics stay the same. Without the round breaks, cardio is more important. Headbutts do not add as much as you imagine - yes Kerr used them well, but he was fighting uneducated opponents. I haven't seen anyone attack the groin - seems to be a gentleman's agreement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19Dz8arDKs4

Well, you can't say that anymore! lol
Fedor>all is offline  
post #4 of 12 (permalink) Old 05-03-2008, 04:18 AM
Middleweight
 
Couchwarrior's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: the couch
Posts: 2,689
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by stitch1z View Post
Wouldn't it be hella frightening if the same well-rounded skill level of todays top level MMA athletes were fighting in the old school "No Rules" UFC match-ups?
I'm not so sure about that, because today's MMA fighters are also a lot better at defending themselves than the early UFC contender. They were quite easily taken out of their comfort zone, and after that they didn't know how to avoid damage, and that's a big reason why many fights at the time were so short and brutal.
Couchwarrior is offline  
post #5 of 12 (permalink) Old 05-03-2008, 09:10 AM Thread Starter
Cheesy Poofs
 
stitch1z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,588
                     
Kicks and stomps on the ground would make a difference to any sloppy wrestlers in the UFC. lol




Don Frye's Mustache > Kimbo's Beard
stitch1z is offline  
post #6 of 12 (permalink) Old 05-03-2008, 09:30 AM
Flyweight
 
doburg717's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: perth, australia
Posts: 458
             
the world champion would probably be the best person at attacking the groin, a slight tap to the balls floors me easily, i cant imagine how bad a full on kick would be
doburg717 is offline  
post #7 of 12 (permalink) Old 05-03-2008, 08:33 PM
Banned
 
piratedanger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: ADX
Posts: 209
 
For me its pretty hard to say, who knows how certain guys would react to hair pulling and low blows, etc.
I mean look at when somebody catches a low blow these days, most of them drop like babies.

The no wrapped wrists or gloves would mess up a lot of peoples punches also. Elbows and head kicks to the ground....


Man I don't know. I think they are sort of two different entities and you can't really compare the two too much.
A lot of those old school guys would never make it with the new rules and a lot of new school guys would never make it in the brutal days.
piratedanger is offline  
post #8 of 12 (permalink) Old 05-04-2008, 04:51 AM
Light Heavyweight
 
name goes here's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: London England
Posts: 3,300
                     
Quote:
Originally Posted by piratedanger View Post
For me its pretty hard to say, who knows how certain guys would react to hair pulling and low blows, etc.
I mean look at when somebody catches a low blow these days, most of them drop like babies.

The no wrapped wrists or gloves would mess up a lot of peoples punches also. Elbows and head kicks to the ground....


Man I don't know. I think they are sort of two different entities and you can't really compare the two too much.
A lot of those old school guys would never make it with the new rules and a lot of new school guys would never make it in the brutal days.
The no wraps, doesn't change things much. The main effect is to shorten careers, not to change the action in a fight.

Ground fighting does go quicker with strikes to the back of the head allowed - because there is less opportunity to turtle.

Ball strikes stop the fight because the fighter can take a break. If they don't, they will fight on - though they won't like it. The main effect would just be a rise in long term nut injuries.

Most of the things you are worried about - when they are expected they are protected against. The main difference would be less stalls.

A big difference would be front chokes.

The fighters who are at the top now - would be at the top of a nhb league too.

Steroids or no steroids would be the real deciding factor


Last edited by name goes here; 05-04-2008 at 05:10 AM.
name goes here is offline  
post #9 of 12 (permalink) Old 05-04-2008, 05:27 AM
Welterweight
 
joppp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Sweden
Posts: 2,279
                     
People like Rampage, Anderson Silva and Fedor, who seems originally bad ass, would still kick ass IMO...

But also: without gloves, a grappler can work much better chokes.

Official Leader of the Demian Maia Subway Station!

Dustin Hazelett - I'm McLovin' it

"The second he hits me, I will crush him!" - WAND (WAR)
joppp is offline  
post #10 of 12 (permalink) Old 05-04-2008, 09:53 AM
Light Heavyweight
 
name goes here's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: London England
Posts: 3,300
                     
Yeah the one thing I notice watching vale tudo - is that the ground is more dangerous, no gloves to hold, with headbutts it's harder to find a safe place to stop, allowed to hit the back of the head means no turtling. If front chokes where allowed too, that would mean another advantage.

name goes here is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the MMA Forum - UFC Forums - UFC Results - MMA Videos forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome