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Old 05-07-2008, 05:15 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Tank has been washed up for over a decade.
The 'missed the joke' line is pretty long, but if you're willing to wait, by all means, join it.
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Old 05-07-2008, 05:16 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Tank has been washed up for over a decade.
By which you must mean, Tank's last shower was over a decade ago.
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Old 05-07-2008, 06:19 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Tank's not washed up, he's just stuck in a rut.
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Old 05-07-2008, 06:58 PM   #64 (permalink)
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If you're going to show me two kids, otherwise identical, but one starts fights in the street and the other smokes weed... i'd say the guy starting fights is probably worse off. I guess that's just a matter of opinion tho.
Well that's really not the point I'm not against smoking weed at all so i'm not going to debate against it but the point is it's illegal and BJ Penn was on the internet doing something illegal and almost everyone thought it was great. Meanwhile every rips on Kimbo for beign a bad rolemodel. He's not a good role model at all but neither is almost anyone in the UFC.

It's kind of like everyone wants to attack Kimbo for anything he does just because they don't like the fact he was a street fighter and the fact that Elite XC is hyping him up and feeding him cans.

However none of that stuff Kimbo can really change and he's done nothing bad at all really since he started fighting in MMA.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:12 AM   #65 (permalink)
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The luxury? was Rampage born with that scholarship? I was pretty sure he worked his ass off for it.

Stitch1z comparison is perfectly valid, they are both MMA fighters with a strong following, and when we're talking about black american role models in MMA it makes perfect sense to compare them.

I think stitch1z is straight on with this, Kimbo's message is "street fighting got me off the streets", and street fighting is the last place you find competent MMA fighters. Kimbo's not even that great, as evidenced by the fact that he hasn't fought anyone who wasn't totally incompetent or completely washed up. Who's his next opponent after James "Jaw of Glass" Thompson? Kimo?
Street fighting could not get him off the streets. He earned no money from that. While he was a street fighter he also earned a paycheck as a bodyguard/entourage member of a recording label. Street fighting taught him a lot about what it takes to be in MMA though.

Rampage, surely worked his ass off for that scholarship, but who got him into wrestling. Maybe Kimbo never had that kind of mentor, coach, teacher, parent, or anyone else there to guide him into more constructive avenues. This guy is a professional with absolutely no amateur record. Why should he face top competition. He hasn't earned that opportunity. If he were to face guys like SYlvia, Fedor, Nog, etc. I am sure this forum and many others would be outraged that he gets a title shot or is able to face such great competition.

So, I guess I can compare Matt Hughes to Georges St. Pierre because they are white middle class men too. That wouldn't be fair. Different situations entirely.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:15 AM   #66 (permalink)
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If you're going to show me two kids, otherwise identical, but one starts fights in the street and the other smokes weed... i'd say the guy starting fights is probably worse off. I guess that's just a matter of opinion tho.
Depends on where those kids are mentally...if that is all you have to go on though, I would agree.
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Old 05-08-2008, 01:25 AM   #67 (permalink)
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I guess I started this Role Model thing unintentionally. I believe example would be a better choice of words. Kids aren't going to implement someone they aren't similar too. I remember being a kid. As I am sure you all do as well. I never really strived to be "like" anyone in particular, but certainly used persons' successes as motivation for me to be successful as well. I don't think any child will look to a UFC fighter and think, "I want to be completely like him". Maybe a wrestler, then they will grow up and ealize it is all fake and look to other avenues. Most kids look at athletes when they play the sport; I never remember watching TV and searching for articles about my favorite athletes. I just watched them play their sports. And tried to be like them there. So, this is kind of a pointless argument anyway. Kids don't care enough to read about that kind of shit. Of course, some kids will read anything they can about the athletes. Most of that reading will be in books and magazine articles though.

If there are kids out there thinking I want to be exactly like Kimbo, then they are in bad shape right now anyway and that would be an improvement. But the more likely scenario is kids watching him fight and thinking this guy came from the same place as me. There is a way out. That is the conclusion kids make, generally speaking.

Most kids in that situation won't have the means to watch this guy fight anyway. Hell, most kids don't have the means to watch any of these fights live.
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Street fighting could not get him off the streets. He earned no money from that. While he was a street fighter he also earned a paycheck as a bodyguard/entourage member of a recording label. Street fighting taught him a lot about what it takes to be in MMA though.

Rampage, surely worked his ass off for that scholarship, but who got him into wrestling. Maybe Kimbo never had that kind of mentor, coach, teacher, parent, or anyone else there to guide him into more constructive avenues. This guy is a professional with absolutely no amateur record. Why should he face top competition. He hasn't earned that opportunity. If he were to face guys like SYlvia, Fedor, Nog, etc. I am sure this forum and many others would be outraged that he gets a title shot or is able to face such great competition.

So, I guess I can compare Matt Hughes to Georges St. Pierre because they are white middle class men too. That wouldn't be fair. Different situations entirely.
He was street fighting for money (I'm sorry, "bread"). He'd put a grand against his opponent's grand from what I've heard him claim.

Kimbo also played High School Football, so he had mentor figures around.

Why not compare GSP and Hughes? What's unfair about that?

And Kimbo wasn't a bodyguard for a record label that I know of. It was a porn company.

I'm not trying to change your mind on Kimbo. I just don't like the guy, don't think he's good for the sport...
I just don't think Kimbo has any saving graces IMO.

He's shown nothing amazing in the cage or on the street and I will be happy when he gets pummelled on moves on to the WWE where he belongs.
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Kimbo V Fedor would be funny
u might as well jsut put kimbo infront of a rowling boulder and let it hit him

kimbo just needs to know his place
That is true, he needs to know his place. Elite isn't helping his ignorant ego any at all though. They are the ones really pushing him as some great MMA fighter. Elite is doing the opposite of what MMA orgs need to do.
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Old 05-08-2008, 07:35 PM   #70 (permalink)
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Street fighting could not get him off the streets. He earned no money from that. While he was a street fighter he also earned a paycheck as a bodyguard/entourage member of a recording label. Street fighting taught him a lot about what it takes to be in MMA though.

Rampage, surely worked his ass off for that scholarship, but who got him into wrestling. Maybe Kimbo never had that kind of mentor, coach, teacher, parent, or anyone else there to guide him into more constructive avenues. This guy is a professional with absolutely no amateur record. Why should he face top competition. He hasn't earned that opportunity. If he were to face guys like SYlvia, Fedor, Nog, etc. I am sure this forum and many others would be outraged that he gets a title shot or is able to face such great competition.

So, I guess I can compare Matt Hughes to Georges St. Pierre because they are white middle class men too. That wouldn't be fair. Different situations entirely.
Dude He made money off of the street fights. Nothing like he is making now granted. He was actually a bouncer for a porn company not a music company.


Oh and IMHO

Kimbo vs Gracie = Gracie Grabs gaurd and Kimbo goes to sleep

Kimbo Vs Shamrock = Shamrock grabs a ankle lock and spins till Kimbos knees pops.

I think whoever posted Kimbo is baiting shamrock is right but I have to tell you that will be the buildup of the end unless they pay shamrock enough to stand up with him and let himself be knocked out.
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