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**GMW** · 05-15-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pyros

You said fighters get better to support your point, if GSP can get better so can Fedor.

I said, "I'm just saying, Fighter's grow and get better." in response to his losses. I'm not saying, in the future GSP will grow to be better then Fedor. My point was that since his losses he has grown as a fighter to someone who surpasses Fedor. That's why bringing up Fedor potentially getting better is useless.

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And you are with that again, it doesn't matter if he has avenged the losses, they happened, he got bested in two occasions, while Fedor has never been beaten. You can avenge your losses but the fact that you got KTFO or submitted will stand forever, for now GSP is beatable, Fedor is not, until someone proves otherwise, which frankly I don't see anyone doing.

Fedor is certainly beatable, other's have proved he's beatable.

Either way, I don't see how GSP's losses affect him in any ranking at this point.
On purely skill, not taking into account win-loss, GSP is better imo. He's physically in better shape, he has way better control, near equal ground game and worse striking. Averages out to be better then Fedor.

Based on overall accomplishment, he's beaten more top 10 fighters and avenged his losses, which in a ranking system, cancels them out (and in my opinion too). And he's beaten a lot of fighters more decisively then Fedor.

And if it's based on recent accomplishments, well, you don't even need to mention that, it's obvious.

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Originally Posted by Pyros

Fedor weights at 230 yes, but he's not ripped like other HW, the fact is he got a strict diet he could probably fight at 205 were he could have a bigger size advantage, but he doesn't because he can easily kick ass at HW, that plays a huge part in determining a P4P fighter.

"IF" he had a stricter diet, and had a lower body fat %, maybe he'd make LHW and do better, but until he does it's useless.
It's based on who he is now.
*I think Fedor has a pretty good diet and he is extremely fit.

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Originally Posted by Pyros

GSP's control is above Fedor? Who has Fedor not been able to control? Heck, he usually beats people at their own games, he can control you standing or on the ground, while GSP striking isn't great as proved by Serra. And records, yeah maybe GSP has beaten more people that are currently top 10, but when Fedor beat Herring he was top 10, Schilt was top 10, Coleman and Randleman were top 10, Mark Hunt was top 10, Babalu and Arona were top 10 LHW, Lindland is a top 10 MW. Wow Fedor record looks pretty good too, right?

err, by control I mean't wrestling, I should of specified. On the ground, no one controls other's like GSP does now.

This is a serious question, not a sarcastic remark, when were Randleman, hunt, coleman and schilt top 10 in MMA?

"... top ten 10 LHW, .... is a top 10 MW". If you're going to give GSP crap for having a weight advantage, don't ever bring these up.

Pyros · 05-15-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GMW

I said, "I'm just saying, Fighter's grow and get better." in response to his losses. I'm not saying, in the future GSP will grow to be better then Fedor. My point was that since his losses he has grown as a fighter to someone who surpasses Fedor. That's why bringing up Fedor potentially getting better is useless.

Fedor is certainly beatable, other's have proved he's beatable.

Either way, I don't see how GSP's losses affect him in any ranking at this point.
On purely skill, not taking into account win-loss, GSP is better imo. He's physically in better shape, he has way better control, near equal ground game and worse striking. Averages out to be better then Fedor.

Based on overall accomplishment, he's beaten more top 10 fighters and avenged his losses, which in a ranking system, cancels them out (and in my opinion too). And he's beaten a lot of fighters more decisively then Fedor.

And if it's based on recent accomplishments, well, you don't even need to mention that, it's obvious.

"IF" he had a stricter diet, and had a lower body fat %, maybe he'd make LHW and do better, but until he does it's useless.
It's based on who he is now.
*I think Fedor has a pretty good diet and he is extremely fit.

err, by control I mean't wrestling, I should of specified. On the ground, no one controls other's like GSP does now.

This is a serious question, not a sarcastic remark, when were Randleman, hunt, coleman and schilt top 10 in MMA?

"... top ten 10 LHW, .... is a top 10 MW". If you're going to give GSP crap for having a weight advantage, don't ever bring these up.

WTF? GSP has grown to be a better fighter than Fedor? Why? Because you say so. He hasn't even defended his title succesfully, come on.

If people have proved he is beatable, why has no one beaten him?

Do you know what Fedor's shape is? You can't compare GSP and Fedor's form because you don't know that for sure. His control is not better, who has Fedor had trouble controlling? And he is better in striking and subs, way better than St.Pierre, GSP primarily tool is his wrestling, Fedor can **** you up anywhere. And he has not beaten more opponents more decisively than Fedor, Fedor has never lost a single round, St.Pierre has lost rounds, and fights.

P4P means skill without taking weight into account, GSP uses his size to beat his opponents (I'm not saying he uses only size, but it plays a part), Fedor doesn't.

Again, who has Fedor had trouble with on the ground?

Coleman was top 10 the first time he fought Fedor, Randleman had just beaten Cro Cop when he fought Fedor and Cro Cop was then at his prime, same with Hunt, and Schilt was a top 10 because which HWs were at the time? Schilt at that point was destroying people.

I brought up those wins because you were surely counting Sherk and BJ in GSP's record, or am I wrong? Come on, don't lie, it's ok

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**MJB23** · 05-15-2008, 09:17 PM

I'd have to go with Fedor as the best like everyone said but I think GSP is a close second.

**J.P.** · 05-16-2008, 12:16 AM

Frank Shamrock.

Accomplishments:

King of Pancrase
WEC middleweight champ
Strikeforce middleweight champ
WKC sub champ
UFC middleweight champ

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

**Damone** · 05-16-2008, 12:17 AM

Preach it, brother!

**Kin** · 05-16-2008, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Guy

I'd say Anderson Silva as well, but I've never seen him take an opponent to the ground at will.

Though I don't think his wrestling is good enough to be considered the most well rounded fighter, you should check out some of his Cage Rage fights. He's gotten takedowns there.

Suizida · 05-18-2008, 07:20 AM

Gonna go with Fedor, then GSP at a very close seconds.
Silva isn't in that area, striking he is the best his bjj is awesome, but he doesnt take ppl down (sweep on marquadt doesn't count) and his TDD isn't the best.

Pyros · 05-19-2008, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GMW

This is a serious question, not a sarcastic remark, when were Randleman, hunt, coleman and schilt top 10 in MMA?

I did some research for you: http://web.archive.org/web/200503101..._july2004.html

Randleman top 10, Coleman close to top 10 ATM Fedor fought them (I thought Coleman was top 10 at the time, my bad). But, I got Fujita in the top 10, so you can add that to the list

http://web.archive.org/web/200503101...ember2003.html.

Mark Hunt: http://web.archive.org/web/200604160...uary_2006.html

I tried to find about Semmy but I couldn't find any rankings of 2002, sorry.

PrideFan123 · 05-19-2008, 04:21 PM

Fedor Emelianenko. He's pure talent in all aspects of the game. Maybe not the best at any single one, but proficient at all and puts them together very well.