Greatest Striker Ever? - Page 2 - MMA Forum - UFC Forums - UFC Results - MMA Videos
General MMA Discussion Discuss King Of The Cage, Ultimate Challenge UK, and HDNet Fights as well as general mixed martial arts discussion.

View Poll Results: Who's the Greatest Striker?

Peter Aerts 11 26.83%
Ernesto Hoost 11 26.83%
Mirko "CroCop" Filipovic 9 21.95%
Semmy Schilt 1 2.44%
Tim Sylvia 1 2.44%
Andrei Arlovski 1 2.44%
Cheick Kongo 0 0%
Other 7 17.07%
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll

Reply

Old 05-21-2008, 02:59 PM   #11 (permalink)
True Grappler
 
IronMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York City, New York
Posts: 6,251
IronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A Baller
Quote:
Originally Posted by DropKick View Post
Just curious Ironman, would you rank LeBanner slightly lower than Aerts and Hoost or do you think he doesn't even belong in the converstaion?
I'll give LeBanner a little while before I start calling him the best ever, but I'll be honest, I do think he's the best right now, and I'm not sure anyone can question it.

Give him some time to really round out his career and I think I'll feel ore comfortable calling him one of the best and debating about it. Right now, I think he's mentionable, but not really comparable to Hoost or Aerts.

For the record, I voted for Hoost, but Peter Aerts is one of my heroes and I've always been very, very impressed by both of their standup.
__________________


Sig by Toxic

Barnett - Toquinho -Werdum - "Nurmie"
Z. Gurgel - Morango - Rocha - Tiequan
IronMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 

Old 05-21-2008, 03:02 PM   #12 (permalink)
True Grappler
 
IronMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York City, New York
Posts: 6,251
IronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A Baller
Quote:
Originally Posted by GMW View Post
Aerts.

Btw, Ironman, you didn't specifically say this is heavyweight only or did it just happen to be that way because you think they are the best strikers?
I'll be honest, I have a hard time thinking of anyone who's not a heavyweight that I could put in here, just because the lightheavyweight and middleweight guys that have competed against guys on this list (Wanderlei Silva, for one) have been really unsuccessful.

I think that Aerts and Hoost are the best two in the world, period.

Yeah, I did realize that this is strictly heavyweights after the fact. I don't really regret it though, because I can't think of anyone who's comparable.
__________________


Sig by Toxic

Barnett - Toquinho -Werdum - "Nurmie"
Z. Gurgel - Morango - Rocha - Tiequan
IronMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 03:15 PM   #13 (permalink)
MLS
Banned
 
MLS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Backseat of the PlazzVan
Posts: 6,472
Blog Entries: 2
MLS MLS MLS MLS MLS MLS MLS MLS MLS MLS MLS
I think the older HW's in K-1 are proven and thats why you will always see them listed as some of the greatest strikers. If you give some of the guys in K-1 MAX some more time in their career I think you will start seeing them involved in discussions like this one.
MLS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 03:21 PM   #14 (permalink)
Banned
 
TheNegation's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 6,809
TheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He Crosses
It displeases me greatly that Andy Hug was not included in this poll and hasn't been mentioned yet.

Crocop, Arlovski and Sylvia, yet no Hug?

I'd have to say Aerts, just above Hoost. Ohter than that it's not even close.
TheNegation is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 03:22 PM   #15 (permalink)
GMW
International Stalker
 
GMW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 5,203
Blog Entries: 2
GMW Is Respected By All He CrossesGMW Is Respected By All He CrossesGMW Is Respected By All He CrossesGMW Is Respected By All He CrossesGMW Is Respected By All He CrossesGMW Is Respected By All He CrossesGMW Is Respected By All He CrossesGMW Is Respected By All He CrossesGMW Is Respected By All He CrossesGMW Is Respected By All He CrossesGMW Is Respected By All He Crosses
Quote:
Originally Posted by IronMan View Post
I'll be honest, I have a hard time thinking of anyone who's not a heavyweight that I could put in here, just because the lightheavyweight and middleweight guys that have competed against guys on this list (Wanderlei Silva, for one) have been really unsuccessful.

I think that Aerts and Hoost are the best two in the world, period.

Yeah, I did realize that this is strictly heavyweights after the fact. I don't really regret it though, because I can't think of anyone who's comparable.
Yeah, I see what you mean. Do you think Machida or Silva are comparable to the rest of the list, not including Aerts or Hoost?
__________________

Credit to ThaMuffinMan
GMW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 03:25 PM   #16 (permalink)
MLS
Banned
 
MLS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Backseat of the PlazzVan
Posts: 6,472
Blog Entries: 2
MLS MLS MLS MLS MLS MLS MLS MLS MLS MLS MLS
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNegation View Post
It displeases me greatly that Andy Hug was not included in this poll and hasn't been mentioned yet.

Crocop, Arlovski and Sylvia, yet no Hug?

I'd have to say Aerts, just above Hoost. Ohter than that it's not even close.
Hug was a ******* warrior and deserves to be mentioned. He might not have been the greatest but he was pretty damn close to it though.
MLS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 03:29 PM   #17 (permalink)
Banned
 
TheNegation's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 6,809
TheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He CrossesTheNegation Is Respected By All He Crosses
Quote:
Originally Posted by MLS View Post
Hug was a ******* warrior and deserves to be mentioned. He might not have been the greatest but he was pretty damn close to it though.
Undoubtedly, he wasn't the best, but he should definately be in contention.

Were you someone else and then you changed your name to MLS? I can't remember.
TheNegation is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 06:08 PM   #18 (permalink)
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Alberta Canada
Posts: 2,543
Lotus Is Beloved By AllLotus Is Beloved By AllLotus Is Beloved By AllLotus Is Beloved By AllLotus Is Beloved By AllLotus Is Beloved By AllLotus Is Beloved By AllLotus Is Beloved By AllLotus Is Beloved By AllLotus Is Beloved By AllLotus Is Beloved By All
I'm biased with hoost because I'm a fan and appreciate just how sick his stand up was.
Lotus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 06:41 PM   #19 (permalink)
True Grappler
 
IronMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: New York City, New York
Posts: 6,251
IronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A BallerIronMan Is A Baller
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNegation View Post
It displeases me greatly that Andy Hug was not included in this poll and hasn't been mentioned yet.

Crocop, Arlovski and Sylvia, yet no Hug?

I'd have to say Aerts, just above Hoost. Ohter than that it's not even close.
You're right. I realized this morning that I wish I had put him, LeBanner and Ray Sefo on the list.

I do regret that and, yes, I think Andy Hug is a f*cking monster.


Quote:
Originally Posted by GMW View Post
Yeah, I see what you mean. Do you think Machida or Silva are comparable to the rest of the list, not including Aerts or Hoost?
Wanderlei Silva or Anderson Silva?

On a technical level, Anderson might be, because of his clinch game. I think that Wanderlei, on the other hand, is very dependent on the dynamics of the ring to work his striking and while there are plenty of guys in K-1 who would have that problem if they transitioned to the cage, Hoost and Aerts wouldn't (yes, I know you asked me to leave them out).

I'll be real, I don't think that Anderson is in a tough division in terms of strikers. I think that Dan isn't a terribly technical striker (despite his incredible power) and Franklin is a decent boxer, but not a well rounded striker. That's not to dismiss Anderson, but I think that guys like Arlovski and Sylvia, who fought many more strikers, deserve that a little more.

As far as Machida being comparable, no, I don't.

The reason is pretty simple, I just don't think he has the power that those guys do, or the devastating combinations. I think he hits plenty hard, but he doesn't rock guys the way that Mirko and Sylvia and Andrei and Schilt did and do.

If he had knocked out his last 4 or 5 opponents, I'd be more inclined to say yes, but I'm not sure I would. Honestly, besides Sokoudjou, Machida should have been able to utterly dominate every one of his opponents standing up. Hoger, Heath and Kaz aren't standup fighters, and yet he didn't knock out any of them.

Sure, Machida can pick guys apart, but not fast enough to destroy them, and when you remember that top tier K-1 guys dismantle their opponents in three minute rounds, it really gets to me that Machida has more time and does less damage.

So, I don't really count Machida.
__________________


Sig by Toxic

Barnett - Toquinho -Werdum - "Nurmie"
Z. Gurgel - Morango - Rocha - Tiequan
IronMan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-21-2008, 07:17 PM   #20 (permalink)
OG Heavy Hitter
 
BloodJunkie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: So Cal
Posts: 2,663
BloodJunkie Is Beloved By AllBloodJunkie Is Beloved By AllBloodJunkie Is Beloved By AllBloodJunkie Is Beloved By AllBloodJunkie Is Beloved By AllBloodJunkie Is Beloved By AllBloodJunkie Is Beloved By AllBloodJunkie Is Beloved By AllBloodJunkie Is Beloved By AllBloodJunkie Is Beloved By AllBloodJunkie Is Beloved By All
Quote:
Originally Posted by IronMan View Post





As far as Machida being comparable, no, I don't.

The reason is pretty simple, I just don't think he has the power that those guys do, or the devastating combinations. I think he hits plenty hard, but he doesn't rock guys the way that Mirko and Sylvia and Andrei and Schilt did and do.

If he had knocked out his last 4 or 5 opponents, I'd be more inclined to say yes, but I'm not sure I would. Honestly, besides Sokoudjou, Machida should have been able to utterly dominate every one of his opponents standing up. Hoger, Heath and Kaz aren't standup fighters, and yet he didn't knock out any of them.

Sure, Machida can pick guys apart, but not fast enough to destroy them, and when you remember that top tier K-1 guys dismantle their opponents in three minute rounds, it really gets to me that Machida has more time and does less damage.

So, I don't really count Machida.
My sentiments exactly. I have been saying for a long time that Machida is good but not overly impressive but so many people are just acting like he is the next coming of Jesus Christ when it comes to striking. IMO he can't even be considered in the upper echelon of MMA strikers let alone the greats from K-1 like Aerts, Hoost, JLB, Hug.
__________________


Credit to Toxic for the sick sig!
BloodJunkie is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

VerticalSports
Baseball Forum Golf Forum Boxing Forum Snowmobile Forum
Basketball Forum Soccer Forum MMA Forum PWC Forum
Football Forum Cricket Forum Wrestling Forum ATV Forum
Hockey Forum Volleyball Forum Paintball Forum Snowboarding Forum
Tennis Forum Rugby Forums Lacrosse Forum Skiing Forums
Copyright (C) Verticalscope Inc SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2
Powered by vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2009 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007, PixelFX Studios