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View Poll Results: Who's the Greatest Striker?
Peter Aerts 11 26.83%
Ernesto Hoost 11 26.83%
Mirko "CroCop" Filipovic 9 21.95%
Semmy Schilt 1 2.44%
Tim Sylvia 1 2.44%
Andrei Arlovski 1 2.44%
Cheick Kongo 0 0%
Other 7 17.07%
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absolutely not i completely agree about machida he has some crisp stand up and decent power but comparing it to the others on the list and MANY OTHERS who are not I just don't see him anywhere close to the dozens and dozens that can be named.
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My sentiments exactly. I have been saying for a long time that Machida is good but not overly impressive but so many people are just acting like he is the next coming of Jesus Christ when it comes to striking. IMO he can't even be considered in the upper echelon of MMA strikers let alone the greats from K-1 like Aerts, Hoost, JLB, Hug.
BloodJunkie, I feel like we've had this conversation before on Macida-nuthugging threads. You're absolutely right.

In fact, as far as I'm concerned, Machida is, technically speaking, the 7th best striker in the lightheavyweight division right now, and what I mean by that is, if you put him in a K-1 ring and match with Rampage, Wanderlei, Shogun, Thiago Silva, Houston Alexander or Chuck, they'd tear his f*cking head off and knock it into the third row. Without the ring (which is to say, in terms of how his striking translates to the UFC, I think that he's a debatable 5th, because of how it bangs up Wanderlei and Shogun's rankings).

Anyway, my point is that even from a technical standpoint, I have a hard time believing that he has the ability to finish the way that guys like Silva and Liddell and Rampage do.

That's my problem with Machida and it's why I don't really like his standup.

His grappling is fantastic, but that's a whole different story.



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wtf?

Explain! Nah, but really, you find his striking technically good?

(in my head i'm pronouncing it w - t -f, not what the ****)

*I should also ask because I only really know of his striking, and Sokky looked horrid that night, how good is Machidas ground game?


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Speaking of Anderson and Machida something I have noticed about how they are fought.

Machida is a good striker in the cage and Silva is a good striker in a cage and ring but this is against mma strikers. Since they are both southpaws any boxer or kickboxer will tell you that you want to stay outside their lead leg in order to stay away from their power hand and to avoid their jab easier. No fighter that I have seen fight these two guys has done this, they have all just stood in front and allowed Silva and Machida's left hand to have all the power it can. I would like to see how either guy adapts his striking to someone who does stay outside their lead leg. Just something I've noticed and has always made me question why fighters wouldn't do this.
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BloodJunkie, I feel like we've had this conversation before on Macida-nuthugging threads. You're absolutely right.

In fact, as far as I'm concerned, Machida is, technically speaking, the 7th best striker in the lightheavyweight division right now, and what I mean by that is, if you put him in a K-1 ring and match with Rampage, Wanderlei, Shogun, Thiago Silva, Houston Alexander or Chuck, they'd tear his f*cking head off and knock it into the third row. Without the ring (which is to say, in terms of how his striking translates to the UFC, I think that he's a debatable 5th, because of how it bangs up Wanderlei and Shogun's rankings).

Anyway, my point is that even from a technical standpoint, I have a hard time believing that he has the ability to finish the way that guys like Silva and Liddell and Rampage do.

That's my problem with Machida and it's why I don't really like his standup.

His grappling is fantastic, but that's a whole different story.
IronMan, Now that I think about it I believe we have had this very same conversation in the past.

You make some excellent points in your reply and I agree with you whole heartedly on every one of them. I think that if people were to look at Machida's striking a little more rationally and then compare it to the abilities of other more accomplished strikers, they would come to the same conclusions.



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Andy Hug and it's no where close in terms of technique and execution.

But in terms of success, it has to be Aerts (even though Hoost won 1 GP more than him, I still think his boxing is garbage).

I think for MMA, it has to be Mirko, he was pure talent before he lost his soul.


PS: Bakauw really isn't that good of a striker, he has insane kicks, but his boxing isn't too great. Someone like Masato or Sauwer is much much more well rounded than him.
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wtf?

Explain! Nah, but really, you find his striking technically good?

(in my head i'm pronouncing it w - t -f, not what the ****)

*I should also ask because I only really know of his striking, and Sokky looked horrid that night, how good is Machidas ground game?
With some guys it's not about technique, it's about explosiveness.

Honestly, I don't fight Rampage's striking technically good. (I mean, his kicks are wild, he loops alot of his punches and his elbows ride up when he gets excited) Rampage woud still kill Machida standing up, because he would power through him.

I don't think Machida can take the aggression that Alexander has. From a technical perspective, I don't think that Houston has better striking. Still, I do think that Alexander would whup dat ass if they stepped in the ring for a K-1 fight, because, like I said, I just don't see that drive to finish in Machida during his UFC bouts.



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With some guys it's not about technique, it's about explosiveness.

Honestly, I don't fight Rampage's striking technically good. (I mean, his kicks are wild, he loops alot of his punches and his elbows ride up when he gets excited) Rampage woud still kill Machida standing up, because he would power through him.

I don't think Machida can take the aggression that Alexander has. From a technical perspective, I don't think that Houston has better striking. Still, I do think that Alexander would whup dat ass if they stepped in the ring for a K-1 fight, because, like I said, I just don't see that drive to finish in Machida during his UFC bouts.
You really need to look past 90% of the strikers in MMA, especially Machida and Houston, it just doesn't matter when you've had guys like Hug/Aerts/Masato/Sauwer in the mix.
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I accidently picked Shilt, and meant to put Mirko. My bad, although I do dig me some Semmy.

I don't know enough of Aerts and Hoost. Any fights I should be looking at in particular?



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peter and ernesto are way way way way way way way way way way way way way way better than the rest of them.

i picked ernesto but its pretty much a tie between the two...neither of them faught mma though... and why isnt like tyson and george foreman on there if we arent talking mma. seriously.....

also this is all heavy weights, there are lower weight guys that could be argued for too.

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