Below is the transcript of the interview.Nick Lembo: The referee called over the doctor, I believe at the end of the second round, and Dr. Wulkan — Dr. Sheryl Wulkan — who is a long-time MMA and kickboxing doctor, who trains herself, she felt there was a possibility of an orbital fracture. Of course, that could not be determined on the spot; there was no machine that could be used to examine the injury at that point. However, she was concerned about the laceration and the utoma that was forming under Kaitlin’s eye, and she was concerned that it would affect her ability to see and the ability to protect herself and see punches coming from that side. I asked her if Kaitlin was medically able to continue and she said no.
Sam Caplan: Did Dr. Wulkan speak with Kaitlin Young?
Nick Lembo: Dr. Wulkan asked Kaitlin where she was three times. The first time, Kaitlin did not respond. During the second and third attempts, the doctor indicated that Kaitlin’s response was garbled.
I would like to point out that even though some of the explanations seem weak this really is not one of them. That her response was weak was not the major issue in the doctors mind and clearly it was the eye.
I dont feel the stoppage was "bad" there is no way for us to tell from the footage anything was out of order there. Its not like the doc was guessing she actually saw a laceration to the eye.
Sam Caplan: I wanted to talk about the stoppage behind the Robbie Lawler vs. Scott Smith fight and why Smith wasn’t given five minutes to recuperate after the foul.
Nick Lembo: There was necessary stoppage from a finger in the eye. The referee, Dan Miragliotta, went up to Scott and said he got poked in the eye and called an accidental foul, put the fighters in their neutral corners, and went over to Scott and said “Are you okay? You have up to five minutes.” At that point, Scott said “I can’t see out of my eye.” Then at that point Dan said to him “I’m going to call in the doctor to look at you. I’m telling you that if you tell the doctors that you can’t see, they are going to stop the fight.” Dr. Angela Gagliardi went in there first to examine Scott and she said that “He said he could not see.” And then she came back and told me that and I said, “Of course he can’t see, he just got poked in the eye.”
At that point, I called for Dr. Sheryl Wulkan, who again, is a top MMA doctor for us and was working as the nearby cage entrance. And I called her in to say “Hey, this is a championship fight, I want you specifically to look at Scott because nobody wants a fighter that can’t continue medically to continue but you have the most experience with MMA.” She goes up to Scott and asks, “How’s your vision?” He goes, “I can’t see at all.” And she said to him “What do you mean you can’t see?” And he responded “I mean I can’t see.” Next, she said to him, “What does that mean? Is it blurry? Is it fuzzy?” And he goes, “I told you, I can’t see at all. I could get knocked out.” At that point in time she asked “Is your vision improving? After a poke in the eye, your vision should be improving by now.” And Scott said his vision wasn’t improving at all and said “I can’t see.”
With those statements combined with the fact that it was pretty apparent that he had a broken foot from throwing a kick, I turned to Dr. Wulkan and asked what her medical opinion was and she said “He should not continue because he stated his vision was not improving and by now, from a poke in his vision should be improving and I’ve given him every opportunity for him to tell me something other than I can’t see at all. And he has a broken foot and should not continue.” And the decision was made.
As far as having five minutes, it’s not guaranteed to you to have five minutes. It’s at the discretion of the chief ring official, who was the referee at the time, and then once he calls in the doctor, it’s the doctor’s discretion. That being said, I don’t know of any ringside physician that I’ve spoken to in this jurisdiction or commissioners in other jurisdictions, that have had fighters repeatedly say “I can’t see” — there is no way any commission is going to allow that fighter to continue. If Scott had said differently what he said, “My vision is improving” or “It’s just a little weird” or “Can you give me some time? It will clear up” or “It’s getting better,” then he would have been granted the time. But combined with the fact that he had a broken foot and he was repeatedly stating that he can’t see at all, there was no reason to allow that fight to continue.
Again I felt like they did what they had to do there. No way can you let a fight go with a fighter saying he cant see and I went back and looked at the tape, it reminds me of a UFC fight I watched a wile back where a fighter told the ref he couldn't fight and to stop it so when the ref did the fighter acted like he was in shock. Im actually going to call bullshit on Scott Smith for a few reasons. First off he knows what he said would stop the fight period, a doctor has no option but to stop it at that point we all have rules we play by and one of them for doctors is if you say you lost your vision in a eye even if they know you didn't they have to take your word as fact. I watched him walk around and if you have some good HQ video you can see that he can see out of both eyes. I think smith took the easy way out of the fight and let the doc take the blame thats what I think.
Sam Caplan: I wanted to move on and discuss the questions some fans have about the Kimbo Slice vs. James Thomspon fight.
Nick Lembo: The questions, being what?
Sam Caplan: The first question being that we quoted someone earlier today as counting 22 unanswered elbows delivered by Thompson when he had Kimbo’s arm trapped in a crucifix position.
Nick Lembo: I think you mean that a fan in the crowd stated that? I can only say that it was exactly right in front of me from my seat at the cage and Dan (Miragliotta) was right over the action and there was no damage from those strikes whatsoever. Those blows were very, very gentle. They were taps, they weren’t doing any damage and there was no reason to stop the fight at that point.
soft or not Ive seen fights stopped for less but I think it was a good no call.
Sam Caplan: The other question pertaining to that fight was the stoppage itself. The feeling by some people, and I guess it’s my feeling too, was that James Thompson could have possibly continued.
And he could have too, argue all you want he could
have kept fighting. My question is should he have been in a MMA fight at all. I feel like the guy should never been allowed to step in the ring again not because it was kimbo he was fighting but because he just looks like he's had one too many fights, the dudes going to end up sucking food from a straw for the rest of his life if he keeps fighting. It has nothing to do with Kimbo, the guy is permanently punch drunk.
So in the end he won more respect from me and kimbo lost that fight even though his record wont show it. This was another fighter hand picked for Kimbo to roll over and this time it almost ended up with kimbo's first loss and to a fighter that lets face it sux! I hope this fight opened some eyes about just how poor of a fighter he is.
Kimbo vs Liddell? UCBFS....
I also just wanted to add that it is my preference to always talk about a fight that was stopped too early as opposed to a fight that was stopped too late
I just think it was a fluke that the fights all ended by stoppage but other than that the ref's and the doctors did whet they had to do and I feel it was the right outcome for each fight.