GMW

I'm pretty sure the UFC still loses money on foreign events, don't they?

Dana white is my answer to the original question, but I think someone else could be a better promoter then him without necessarily doing more then he has for the sport.

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Toxic

Between Merchandising, PPV's and ticket sales the UFC could probably hold an event in Iraq and they would make money.

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cplmac

Duh, MMA took its roots with the military. When UFC first started out in '94-'96 we used to buy every PPV on base and have a party. It was original, full on agression and we ate it up. I don't think much has changed basically except the rules of the sport. The UFC could do very well holding a PPV in Iraq or Afghanistan, hell imagine the stateside buys on an event like that.
Back to Coker, he has a much easier job than Dana ever has. He basically ONLY does events in San Jose with mostly all California fighters. He deals with the same venue people, has a contract with HDNet and generally doesn't have anywhere near the stable or logistical problems that the UFC has always had to deal with. Not taking anything away from what he's done, but it's not on par with DW.

bbjd7

How is turning an profit in the first 2 years of an MMA promotion so easy?

And if it was why doesn't everyone do it.

Also btw I didn't vote for Coker but I don't think it's as onesided as you guys think.

Coker is doing things no one else has done.

Also consider the fact Dana has made some mistakes. Think about him buying Pride. That was a huge mistake one that he basically threw money away in. Didn't buy really anything but a Library.

MLS

Ok let me try this one more time for you.

Having sponsors that pay you, fans that pay
for your event, not overpaying fighters, and not trying to become as big as the UFC in the first two years which saves you money. They have these money making options at their disposal because of Dana and the UFC. Again, being a niche company makes it easier to turn a profit.

They don't have patience and want to be as big as the UFC from the get go. So they overspend on fighters, they try and have these huge expensive events, they are poorly run.

Only thing he has done is make a profit faster but only after following the Zuffa model. You can't provide one thing that he did differently than Zuffa.

I bet Dana wished he had you by his side to tell him he was getting screwed over since it was so obvious that he was. That is such a bad example of a mistake and I'm sure we can find some mistakes Coker has made if we wanted too.

bbjd7

Look here's the thing there are a ton of promotion out there. And none of them outside of the UFC are as successful as Strikeforce. Strikeforce is making money and expanding at the same time. Which is something that's very difficult.

I think you guys are underselling what Strikeforce is doing. So many people are involved in MMA and no one has been able to pull off what Strikeforce is doing.

Not taking anything away from Dana. He has done a great job and is still doing a great job but to act like what Coker has accomplished isn't great is honestly being blind to the MMA community. No one has done what Strikeforce has done. No one makes money right away. In fact companies have started to follow the Strikeforce model. That is something Monte Cox has said a number of times he will do with the Adrenline MMA promotion.

Sure Dana made MMA what it is to day in the US. But Coker has put together the blueprint for building an upstart MMA promotion. Dana had no promotions when he started so it was different. Coker has found a succesful formula in this world of promotions falling by the wayside.

You say don't overspend well that's easy to say but when their are 10 promotions doing shows on the same night it's hard to attract fans when you don't overspend.

Toxic

Your basically trying to argue that Kia is more sucessful that GM.

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MLS

Is Coker Dida in disguise?

GMW

He's making a pretty legitimate argument if you give it a chance.
He didn't even put Coker as the best promoter, just posed the idea and backed it up.
There is some truth, given his resources going into it and the fact he was able to a pull a profit so soon with a solid base of fighters and good events, it is a very impressive feat.

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MLS

There is an argument there but bbjd isn't making it, he has slightly touched on it.

Turning a profit is impressive but thats only after Dana and Zuffa showed people how to do it. So if you have a model for what to do correctly, would you not turn a profit quicker?