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Is Scott Coker the best promoter in MMA?

2K views 39 replies 5 participants last post by  bbjd7 
#1 · (Edited)
Now this might be crazy because Dana is so successful and has done such a great job with the UFC but is it possible that Coker is even better.

Coker is running a promotion that is making money. In it's 2nd year. It has the largest MMA paid attendence on US soil. He has a strong stable of fighters including Babalu, Cyborg, Melendez, Thomson, Cung, Misaki, Overeem, Frank, and more. Has a TV deal with NBC that while it might have a bad timeslot has done well. And is talking to NBC about doing a live card.

Coker has done some amazing things. I mean Dana talks about how you have to lose money in MMA but Strikeforce hasn't been this guy is doing a great job and they do some damn good matchmaking. So is he the best promoter in MMA.
 
#33 ·
Bbjd, your argument isn't an argument for a promoter, it's one of a CEO, you seem to be confusing the two. If you had asked whether Coker was running Strikeforce better then your whole argument would make more sense but you are making points for a CEO.
 
#34 ·
Promoters in MMA for the most part run the business side 2. If a promotion is losing money it is the promoters fault and if it's making money the promoter deserves credit. Coker has done a great job with Strikeforce and is doing things no one else has done. You can say that he's just following the UFC's gameplan but then I think there woud be way more successful promotions out there if it was that simple. Coker has found a way to make money in only his 2nd year and deserves to get more credit than you guys are giving him. Did he do as much for MMA as Dana? Hell no. Is it possible that he is doing better with what he has to work with than Dana is? Defiantly it is possible.

Notice the one company that Dana doesn't bring up is Strikeforce because Coker has a successful system that even he knows is impressive.
 
#35 ·
Promoters in MMA for the most part run the business side 2. If a promotion is losing money it is the promoters fault and if it's making money the promoter deserves credit.
Not true, we can look at the UFC to see this.

Coker has done a great job with Strikeforce and is doing things no one else has done. You can say that he's just following the UFC's gameplan but then I think there woud be way more successful promotions out there if it was that simple.
I have explained it to you many times why there aren't more successful promotions, you just can't get off of Coker to accept them. Also you can't tell me a difference in Coker's business model then the UFC's. You gave one but the one you gave was wrong.

Coker has found a way to make money in only his 2nd year and deserves to get more credit than you guys are giving him. Did he do as much for MMA as Dana? Hell no. Is it possible that he is doing better with what he has to work with than Dana is? Defiantly it is possible.
So if someone sets up a stituation to show you how to be successful, would you not follow it? Would that proven plan not net you a gain faster than what the original companies did since you can see what is right to do and what is wrong?

Notice the one company that Dana doesn't bring up is Strikeforce because Coker has a successful system that even he knows is impressive.
Dana doesn't mention any promotion unless asked about it and what is there to bring up about Strikeforce? Oh they did what we did and hold one record and only hold that record because they held an event at a venue that is larger than the ones we hold our events at. Strikeforce isn't anything other than a niche company at this point. They hold events in San Jose and have those events headlined by fighters from San Jose, people will come because of this. This isn't the hardest thing to come up with.

Besides turning a profit in two years, what else has Coker done?
 
#36 ·
Dana ran the business side of the UFC for a long time up until just a little while ago actually.

So basically you are saying that only Coker is smart enough to follow Dana's gameplan? Well I think that's dumb. You can't start a promotion unless you get stars in teh current MMA enviorment you can't get stars without paying money. You still haven't told me why Strikeforce has the same number of stars as Elite XC has yet Elite XC is far into the red.

Of course looking at what Dana did helps Coker but there are major differences. UFC has done PPV which means another source of income but an expensive one. Strikeforce hasn't gone near PPV. Strikeforce has done co promotions so that they get a bigger name nationally. The UFC never did. If you really think Strikeforce is following the UFC's gameplan I'm not sure what you are looking at.

Dana talks about all sorts of promotions when they talk about how hard it is to run an MMA promotion he will just throw other ones out there but he doesn't mention Strikeforce because Coker has made it look easy.

I'm not sure what your huge issue is with this question. Coker has done a great job and is growing a promotion at an unheard of rate. Now I think Dana ATM is a slightly better promoter but I also think that Coker is doing a great job.

Also the UFC has done a number of shows in big arenas. Including some in Cali and Strikeforces number has still held up.
 
#37 · (Edited)
Dana ran the business side of the UFC for a long time up until just a little while ago actually.
Oh yeah because the Fertitta's had nothing to do with it right, but they did.

So basically you are saying that only Coker is smart enough to follow Dana's gameplan? Well I think that's dumb. You can't start a promotion unless you get stars in teh current MMA enviorment you can't get stars without paying money. You still haven't told me why Strikeforce has the same number of stars as Elite XC has yet Elite XC is far into the red.
Well lets see what stars does Strikeforce really have? Cung Le, suprise from San Jose, Frank Shamrock, again suprise from San Jose, Josh Thomson, San Jose, Gilbert Melendez, oh could it be, San Jose. Their stars are all from the area in which they hold their events making it moe interesting for the fans. Meaning they will come and watch the local guys fight, which I explained before. Is this a radical business plan, nope. Also how have I not told you why EXC is in debt and Stikeforce isn't, remember the whole overspending thing?

Of course looking at what Dana did helps Coker but there are major differences. UFC has done PPV which means another source of income but an expensive one. Strikeforce hasn't gone near PPV. Strikeforce has done co promotions so that they get a bigger name nationally. The UFC never did. If you really think Strikeforce is following the UFC's gameplan I'm not sure what you are looking at.
So at the start of Dana's tenure, how were the ppv numbers for the UFC and how much money were they making off of them? Co-Promoting with EXC and lending out fighters, how has this helped them, I'll need numbers to back that claim up.

Dana talks about all sorts of promotions when they talk about how hard it is to run an MMA promotion he will just throw other ones out there but he doesn't mention Strikeforce because Coker has made it look easy.
I'm glad you make my point for me that Dana only talks when he is asked about them. Also you know why Dana doesn't mention Strikeforce, that's interesting. Could you tell us anymore about Dana since you seem to know what he is thinking? Also, since when has it ever been smart as a business to talk about someone who does the same things a you?

I'm not sure what your huge issue is with this question. Coker has done a great job and is growing a promotion at an unheard of rate. Now I think Dana ATM is a slightly better promoter but I also think that Coker is doing a great job.
Haha, no issue. You just seemed to have gotten another person who you want to defend until no end with Coker like, Dida, CB, and all the Chute Boxe guys. You started a thread asking a question and I answered and then you engaged my question.

Also the UFC has done a number of shows in big arenas. Including some in Cali and Strikeforces number has still held up.
Not true, UFC has broken a record Strikeforce had.

Don't think Coker is promoting on his own.

Do you know who svse is?

Also, do you know how good K-1 is doing in the US, not so good. I'll give you one guess as to who runs it.

Edit: Oh yeah since you kept making a big deal about the tv deal, are you forgetting that the UFC had one as well after Zuffa took over, Fox Sports Net.

On that note, I'm out of this thread.
 
#39 ·
I'm mainly out becuase the Diaz/Pacquiao fight is about to start and I'm gonna leave to go watch that and then the K-1 fights are on tonight/this morning as well, I'll be back.
 
#40 ·
O ok no problem then. I was confused I thought that wasn't something you would do I respect you a lot as a member and now a mod and defiantly didn't think you would do something like that.
 
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