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Old 07-17-2008, 08:52 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Are We Hoping for Death Now?

These are 2 stories by the same guy on this subject but I found this very interesting. I used to be a big fan of boxing but I really haven't paid much attention for quite some time. This crap is disturbing to say the least- here's a kid fighting his ass off and his own jackass cornermen tell the ref he can keep fighting when he can't even respond to the ref. Those f@ckers should be permanently banned from ever being in a corner again. To do that to your own fighter and one you would consider that they care extremely about since they train him and they do that to him. Simply disgusting.

I am curious to see if anyone was watching this last night?
I can't say I know what he is talking about with some fans thinking this is good(for MMA)- I can only assume that was being posted on their boards there.

Either way my thoughts and prayers are on this brave fighter.



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by brentbrookhouse on Jul 17, 2008 7:07 PM EDT in News

I am disgusted. Seriously...stomach churning, bile in the back of my throat, veins bulging in my forehead furiously disgusted.

Last night a boxer named Oscar Diaz was hospitalized and is in critical condition. Emergency surgery was required to try to relieve the swelling and bleeding on his brain. There is still a very real chance that 25 year old Oscar Diaz could die from last nights tragic events.

Yet, this is not what has me so upset. Obviously it is a horrible situation and I had trouble sleeping after witnessing it. But no, what has me upset is that it seems like the majority of the MMA community treating this like some sort of victory for our sport. Are we hoping that boxers die now? Is it "good for the cause?"

I've seen a flood of "See! MMA is so much less dangerous than boxing!" type comments on message boards, blogs and even this very site. Despite whatever truth there may be to the safety debate it needs to be realized that this is a human life. A man with friends and a family. There is no win here for boxing or MMA. There is no good that can come out of this other than hopefully a focus on the responsibilities of cornermen in regards to their fighter's safety. Oh yeah, and hopefully Oscar Diaz can recover and enjoy a full life with the people he loves...that would be pretty good too.

And is anyone really ignorant enough to think that a tragedy in boxing is going to suddenly make those focused on the dangers of MMA while lauding the history of boxing see the light? I'm sure these people are also thrilled when Sam Vasquez is used as an example of "See! What brutality in this sport!" We were lucky that regardless of the actual circumstances of that case that it wasn't thrust into the bright lights of the mainstream media and held there every time MMA was brought up by major news sources.

At some point it is our responsibility to treat combat sports as combat sports. A tragedy in boxing is a tragedy in MMA. People are used to boxing, this is why they think MMA is more brutal. A death in boxing does not make MMA safer in the eyes of anyone who has already made up their mind. If anything it will only make them see MMA as more dangerous. After all, if people are ending up in the hospital because of the timeless sport of boxing what is going to happen in this brutal sport of cage fighting (THEY KICK EACH OTHER IN THE HEAD!)?

And just one more dose of the reality of this situation from Dan Rafael's latest update piece:

"They had to remove the left side of his cranium in order to help the swelling go down, which apparently was very bad," Katz said. "He had a subdural hematoma [bleeding on the brain], which was taken care of. During surgery, he apparently showed movement in his arms and his brain pressure was very good, according to the doctor."


Tragedy is tragedy. What happened to Oscar Diaz was not a win for the sport of MMA, and it very well may end up being a loss for all of combat sports."

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http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2008/7/17...g-for-death-no


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Oscar Diaz in Critical Condition by brentbrookhouse on Jul 17, 2008 11:10 AM EDT in News

Combat sports are combat sports so I just wanted to give this a brief mention on our site.

Oscar Diaz collapsed before the start of the 11th round on ESPN's Wednesday Night Fights last night. I'll let Scott from BadLeftHook explain what it was like to watch things unfold:

I can't get over watching the final moments of the fight, as the referee warned Diaz's corner that they could be putting their man at risk, followed by that pained shriek that came from Diaz before his legs betrayed him as he attempted to continue on.

Diaz has had emergency surgery to relieve some of the swelling from the bleeding on his brain and remains in critical condition and as of the last updates I have seen is still on a ventilator.

I am on vacation and as such this is one of the first times in a while that I've had a chance to sit down and enjoy watching some live boxing in a while. The evening got off to a bad enough start after a poor end to Fox Sport's broadcast of James Toney vs. Hasim Rahman II (cut stoppage following a headbutt...ruled a TKO because Rahman complained of blood in his eye) and as I switched over to the better fight of the evening but things were getting increasingly brutal prior to the very scary end as Diaz collapsed. I will say however that Diaz's corner disgusted me by trying to prop up a very visibly hurt fighter who was having trouble answering questions from the ref before the start of the round. That kind of display is just shameful.

However, now is not a time to talk about the relative dangers and merits of one sport versus another. Now is the time to let your thoughts and prayers be with a combat sports competitor.

Get well Oscar...
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Old 07-17-2008, 08:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I was watching the fight.
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Old 07-17-2008, 09:04 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Was it is as bad as I am imaging it? Because it just sounds absolutely disgusting what took place( I really have zero desire to see any clips of it).

My heart goes out to the fighter.
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Pretty much, Diaz wasn't doing so well in the fight and got hurt a couple times. At the end of the round he had trouble getting to his corner and once he got there the ref asked him how many fingers he was holding up and Diaz didn't answer. The ref then asked Diaz how he was doing and Diaz just grunted. Then Diaz's cornermen were like he's ok let him continue and then Diaz tried to walk but buckled as soon as he started to walk so the ref held him up and waved the fight off and his corner started to complain a little. Then they sat him on the stool and then laid him on the ground because he was unconscious and then they took him out and to the hospital.

Last update I saw Diaz was out of surgery and could hear people talking to him. He would move his arms to indicate that he could hear them.
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It's pretty disturbing, but for anyone who wants to see it:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...OoH-jQLf4LSYAw

It's not the entire fight, just the end of it and what happened afterwards.

Get well soon Oscar.
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that is so messed up....any death in sports is a tradgedy, wether its combat sports or otherwise. really its a hobby... nothing more. some are just good and lucky enough to get paid for it.

my thoughts and prayers are with Oscar and his family....
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Old 07-18-2008, 06:14 AM   #7 (permalink)
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ESPN is now reporting that Diaz is in a coma.
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Sorry for the double post but I want to give people the update.

Diaz doctor has stated that Diaz "should survive". The swelling has gone down in his brain but he is still in the coma. They aren't sure if he will fully recover though.
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Old 07-19-2008, 12:51 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Seriously, not only did they have him fight when they should have called the fight. After he was slouched over you can hear is corner still asking him if he wanted to fight. How freaking stupid are these people? I agree with others that this is not good for MMA, or Boxing.
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That was truly sad, as it completely exposed how his cornermen are far from being his friends. My prayers are with Oscar and his family.
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