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Old 07-20-2008, 12:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Anderson Silva/Fedor Emelianenko/George St. Pierre P4P Debate

Between Anderson, GSP, and Fedor who do you feel is the No.1 P4P fighter in the world? Did Fedor's dominance over Tim Sylvia bumped him up to No.1 in your minds? Or do you beleive Anderson Silva is still ahead? Or are you one of the few that would put GSP ahead because he fought stiffer compitition then Anderson and Fedor combined.

My Opinion: I still think Anderson Silva and GSP are ahead of Fedor mainly because they have been destroying top level fighters for years. Last night, Tim Sylvia was Fedor's only meaningful victory in two years. Don't get me wrong, if he beats guys like Barnett and Arlovski in a dominating fashion then he would trump those two (Silva and GSP) easily. But for now I would still rank him 3rd. Anderson Silva is slightly (and I mean razor thin) ahead mainly because he is on a wicked winning streak while GSP has incurred a loss to an unranked Matt Serra. He did avenge that loss but still.

So what is your opinion?
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:26 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I agree with you. I think Fedor has been the rightful #1 p4p, but now guys like GSP, BJ Penn and Anderson Silva comes up with winning formulas of their own, looking awesome in the process. More fighters than Fedor nowdays look unbeatable against top competition (and since Fedor's top competition is not as big, they get ahead of him in the p4p rankings IMO) I also think Fedor, while he looked awesome against Sylvia, still looked lackluster against Lindland, Hunt and HMC. He launched his trademark overwhelm-with-powerpunching-and-then-murder-the-shit-scared-opponent-on-the-ground tactic (see Goodridge, Zulu and Ogawa). A brilliant display of psychological warfare and punching power indeed, but the fight could easily have taken much longer and be grueling for Fedor.

My top 5 p4p are:

1. Anderson Silva

2. GSP

3. Fedor/BJ Penn (whoever the better one of them p4p are)

4. Fedor/BJ Penn (whoever the worse of them p4p are)

5. Aoki? Big Nog? I'm too much of an Aoki and Big Nog nuthugger to answer this. If Aoki wins the LWGP, then he's the #5 p4p fighter in my book.
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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When talking about P4P I think GSP is ahead of Fedor, and Fedor is ahead of Anderson Silva. GSP has more wins over top competition than Fedor, and Fedor has more big wins than Silva.

If Fedor beats Barnett and Couture by the end of the year though, then it would be very difficult to argue that he isn't the best P4P.

I personally feel he is the best fighter on the planet, but he still needs a few more big wins before you can make an argument for him in comparison to GSP.
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:53 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Who would win in a fight between them?
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Personally i think.

1 - GSP

2 - Fedor

3 - Anderson Silva

4 - BJ Penn
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i think it's between GSP and Silva
maybe i'm just racist but i really don't think BJ is that good, he WILL get beat by GSP if they fight
fedor is an incredible fighter but beating Tim doesn't do a whole lot for you in my mind
GSP and Silva should never fight i don't think, it's just not realistic although some people think it is, it's just wrong
They are extremely close and it's probably too hard to call, the only way to settle this is in a GSP Silva hockey fight
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Fedor is P4P best IMO. People have found chinks in GSP and Anderson Silva's armor in their career and they have been beaten.

Fedor on the other hand has taken out Big Nog (current UFC HW Champ) TWICE, Herring, Cro Cop (in his prime), Arona, Sylvia, Sobral, Randleman, Hunt, Coleman, and plenty of others in his career.

For the past couple of years he hasn't fought top competition... Okay, who could he have fought? Randy and Arlovski were in the UFC, Barnett was all but inactive...

As it stands today, even after those three years of fighting less than top competition, he still has very little of the HW division to go through before it is completely cleaned out.

A. Silva dominates a mediocre MW division and beat Irvin at LHW. Not trying to take anything away from Silva, but beating Irvin doesn't make him anything special in my book. And A. Silva has a great victory over Hendo and two over Franklin. What other GREAT fighters has he dismantled?

GSP... I like Matt Hughes, but after seeing what Thiago Alves did to him, I don't see GSP's victory over Matt as a great accomplishment. Let's not forget that GSP got his ass handed to him by Serra the first time around.

Neither GSP or Anderson Silva have a resume like Fedor. Not even close.

Fedor is #1.
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Before the fights last night, I was pretty disappointed that people were hating on Fedor, doubting that he was worthy at all due to his layoff.

He goes in there and destroys a former 2 time UFC Heavyweight champion like no-one has dominated big Timmy before.

Reading through the countless threads we're still getting all of this backlash that Fedor still isn't that good and that Sylvia doesn't really count a whole lot.
For the most part I think it's ridiculous to think that Fedor hasn't just proved himself again, he may actually be a lot better than he ever was before judging from his explosiveness last night.

Remember that he has dominated Big Nog twice, and beaten fighters with ridiculous weight/height advantages with relative ease. Who else does he have to beat to prove that he is at the top of the list? Randy Couture is really the only guy left out there that has any credentials that are meaningful.

Barnett, who has he beat lately?
Arlovski, maybe but he will probably get destroyed.

Other than that, there are guys like Werdum and Mir, probably not going to happen though.

The UFC praise Anderson Silva for beating up James Irvin? Chris Leben? Travis Lutter?
Sure he's beat Rich Franklin and Dan Henderson but as far as top names go that's where the list stops.
I'm not questioning his dominance but does Rich Franklin equal Big Nog? Does Dan Henderson equal Tim Sylvia? Not in my mind at least.

I love GSP but he has had a lot of ups and downs and still has a lot to prove I think before I'd give him the title of top P4P.

He's beat Matt Hughes twice, BJ Penn once and then for the most part the rest of the guys are up and comers that may turn into big fighters in the future, but not yet.
His inconsistency in his short career is what makes me hesitant to give him more credit.

Don't get me wrong, I love GSP but if we're talking big fights, nobody has the track record like Fedor.

With that said, I have to go

1. Fedor
2. Anderson Silva
3. GSP
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Mine goes: Silva, GSP, Fedor
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Before the fights last night, I was pretty disappointed that people were hating on Fedor, doubting that he was worthy at all due to his layoff.

He goes in there and destroys a former 2 time UFC Heavyweight champion like no-one has dominated big Timmy before.

Reading through the countless threads we're still getting all of this backlash that Fedor still isn't that good and that Sylvia doesn't really count a whole lot.
For the most part I think it's ridiculous to think that Fedor hasn't just proved himself again, he may actually be a lot better than he ever was before judging from his explosiveness last night.

Remember that he has dominated Big Nog twice, and beaten fighters with ridiculous weight/height advantages with relative ease. Who else does he have to beat to prove that he is at the top of the list? Randy Couture is really the only guy left out there that has any credentials that are meaningful.

Barnett, who has he beat lately?
Arlovski, maybe but he will probably get destroyed.

Other than that, there are guys like Werdum and Mir, probably not going to happen though.

The UFC praise Anderson Silva for beating up James Irvin? Chris Leben? Travis Lutter?
Sure he's beat Rich Franklin and Dan Henderson but as far as top names go that's where the list stops.I'm not questioning his dominance but does Rich Franklin equal Big Nog? Does Dan Henderson equal Tim Sylvia? Not in my mind at least.

I love GSP but he has had a lot of ups and downs and still has a lot to prove I think before I'd give him the title of top P4P.

He's beat Matt Hughes twice, BJ Penn once and then for the most part the rest of the guys are up and comers that may turn into big fighters in the future, but not yet.
His inconsistency in his short career is what makes me hesitant to give him more credit.

Don't get me wrong, I love GSP but if we're talking big fights, nobody has the track record like Fedor.

With that said, I have to go

1. Fedor
2. Anderson Silva
3. GSP
You forgot Nate Marquardt! He isn't exactly some chump fighter that can be finished off easily. When Silva fought him he made it look easy. As a matter of fact, Rich Franklin and Dan Henderson aren't that easy to finish either but Silva went in there and made it easy.

I'm not hating on Fedor! He did prove himself to me that he is a very good fighter. Nobody has ever KO'd Tim like that.

But you have to understand considering this is his only meaningful win since Cro Cop he still has a lot of work to do. Its impressive that he can beat big guys like Zulu and Choi but the problem is those guys were pretty much MMA Newbs when Fedor fought them. Guys like Leban, Lutter, and Irvin might have been B-Level fighters but at least they had more the 3 fights on there record with some solid wins where as Zulu was 3-0 and Choi was 1-0. You can blame it on the matchmakers or the fall of Pride all you want it still won't change the fact that he still hasn't fought anybody that was really meaningful until last night. He fights two more top ten guys he will be back on top no questions asked.
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