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Old 07-25-2008, 01:05 PM   #21 (permalink)
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No JP the fact he decided to stand was dumb.

Why would you stand with Cung Le who has proven stand up when he has an unknown ground game?

Frank could've gotten it to the ground a couple times and didn't seem very interested. He had a much greater chance of winning the fight on the ground than on the feet where it was maybe a 50/50 fight.

I don't blame Frank for wanting to put on a show but it was a terrible fight strategy.


The thing is Cungs ground game is not unknown. Not to Frank. They're both from San Jose California, they've known eachother for years and they sparred together for so long.

Frank wanted to knock him out. And maybe he would have had a better chance had he not decided to play games and make jokes in the cage during the fight.

It just really looked like he didn't take Cung serious and I beleive that was his dumbest move.
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Old 07-25-2008, 02:00 PM   #22 (permalink)
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The thing is Cungs ground game is not unknown. Not to Frank. They're both from San Jose California, they've known eachother for years and they sparred together for so long.

Frank wanted to knock him out. And maybe he would have had a better chance had he not decided to play games and make jokes in the cage during the fight.

It just really looked like he didn't take Cung serious and I beleive that was his dumbest move.
I think you and bbjd7 both have valid points. Shamrock shouldve done a lil less show boating, and I also think Frank shouldve done a lil more to get it to the ground.

Shamrock Vs Lawler will be exciting, I think if Shamrock actually comes in with a logical gameplan he will take this.
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JP Frank only sparred stand up with Cung since Cung was only San Shou at that time.

Frank hasn't trained with Cung's ground game.

I agree he would've had a better chance if he didn't play games however his best plan would've been taking him down and fighting on the ground.

Not playing to your strengths is a bad gameplan.
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JP Frank only sparred stand up with Cung since Cung was only San Shou at that time.

Frank hasn't trained with Cung's ground game.

I agree he would've had a better chance if he didn't play games however his best plan would've been taking him down and fighting on the ground.

Not playing to your strengths is a bad gameplan.


I find it hard to beleive that in all that sparring with Cung that Frank and Cung never tested ground game.

But maybe you're right, and I have no proof to dispute your point so I'll concede to it.

I still think that Franks approach to the stand up game in not being aggressive was his fatal flaw.

But who knows. I'd like to see the rematch.
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I find it hard to beleive that in all that sparring with Cung that Frank and Cung never tested ground game.

But maybe you're right, and I have no proof to dispute your point so I'll concede to it.

I still think that Franks approach to the stand up game in not being aggressive was his fatal flaw.

But who knows. I'd like to see the rematch.
Hey J.P. since we're not sure the Tito/Frank fight is going to happen do you want to do a sig or avy bet on this one since it will most likely be confirmed after Robbie wins on saturday night?
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Hey J.P. since we're not sure the Tito/Frank fight is going to happen do you want to do a sig or avy bet on this one since it will most likely be confirmed after Robbie wins on saturday night?


Yeah we can talk Shamrock - Lawler.

And you know we got to do Babalu - Ortiz if that one comes around.
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And you know we got to do Babalu - Ortiz if that one comes around.
Yes we will have to talk on both.
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Frank shouldn't have stood with Cung Le, but he did so to try to beat Cung at his own game. Admirable, commendable, but not too smart.

Shamrock took the fight to Les' strength. You gotta' hand it to Frank. If he won (and he did do well) it would have been a BIG victory - beating Le in stand up.

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Don't get me wrong I think Frank pulls it out if the injury doesn't occur, but give Cung credit he showed excellen takedown defense making it dangerous for Frank to shoot.
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I don't beleive that Frank was dumb for standing.

I beleive that once Frank was in the cage with Cung, the way he didn't push the pace or close the distance was really dumb.

He was putting on a show, he was joking and throwing a kick and than backing up into the center of the cage again.

He was not aggressive enough for Cung. I still beleive that his stand up is worthy of Cung if he didn't screw around with those antics.

He came to put on a show, not to fight. That was his dumb move.
The only 2 real fighters that will destroy Frank at MW are Silva and Vitor if he live up to his potential (which will probably never happen).

I don't see why anyone would give Robbie this fight, it's not like Franks chin is suspect.
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Even Vitor at his full potential would have a hell of a time with Frank.

Frank has good takedowns and is better on the ground than Vitor. On the feet Frank is very techinical and avoids damage well in fact he blocked too much damage against Cung and got his arm broken.

I don't think Vitor would have much a chance against Frank.
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