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post #31 of 79 (permalink) Old 07-26-2008, 02:37 PM
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Even Vitor at his full potential would have a hell of a time with Frank.

Frank has good takedowns and is better on the ground than Vitor. On the feet Frank is very techinical and avoids damage well in fact he blocked too much damage against Cung and got his arm broken.

I don't think Vitor would have much a chance against Frank.
I agree Frank is a hell of a match up for anyone. I'm not going to argue about the Vitor thing, because at this moment in time it wouldn't even be close.

I don't see why anyone would say he would lose to Lawler is all.
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Lawler has a ton of power and very good boxing I think ATM his stand up is better than Vitor's.
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The only 2 real fighters that will destroy Frank at MW are Silva and Vitor if he live up to his potential (which will probably never happen).

I don't see why anyone would give Robbie this fight, it's not like Franks chin is suspect.

Are you living in 2008? Stick a fork in Vitor, because he's done. So is Frank. A close fight with a non top 10 fighter like Le doesn't put Frank at the top. Looking for middleweight who can beat Frank: Silva, Filho, Franklin, Lawler, Lindland, Misaki, Okami, Marquat, Henderson, Swick, Bisping, Cote, and Leites just to name a few. The last quality win Frank had was against Ortiz almost nine years ago. Where have you been?

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I think frank would take this no prob

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Are you living in 2008? Stick a fork in Vitor, because he's done. So is Frank. A close fight with a non top 10 fighter like Le doesn't put Frank at the top.
Yes 2008 is the current year. And it doesn't look like Frank is done quite yet.

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Yes Silva can beat any Middleweight at this juncture of his carreer.

As far as the rest of the guys mentioned, not even close bud. I think Frank VS Okami would be a great fight. But really: Cote and Leites that is funny and plausible.

Dan Henderson: Nah, older and I bet you'd say that his wrestling is stronger than Franks and Olympics and stuff and that his clinch and ground work would overwhelm Frank right? Wait a minute are you talking about this Dan Henderson..........http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6eNTcsA1e4


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Four years after he defeated Tito Ortiz and left the UFC as an undefeated champion he went into the WEC and captured their middleweight title also.


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Shamrock should be able to take Lawler, but Robbie is one of those dangerous guys that can take a fight at any moment. For sure, a fight between the two would be very entertaining.

I'm just wondering why Frank decided that he wanted to visit the Orthodonist to get his grill fixed now of all times. I know his smile has been busted for a while, but in this profession that would just be a bitch to deal with.

With the amount of money he has, I would have expected that he would have gotten an Invisi-liner or something. Oh well, that's another topic for a different discussion...

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Four years after he defeated Tito Ortiz and left the UFC as an undefeated champion he went into the WEC and captured their middleweight title also.
You're right he won WEC title against Bryan Pardoe. Who? Brian Pardoe is a fighter with a 12-11 record and hasn't beat a fighter with a winning record since the loss to shamrock. Not exactly something to brag about. The fighters Shamrock has beaten in past 9 years since the win over Ortiz have a combined record of 31-30-2. He has fought no one in the last nine years and considering him beating anyone that is even in the middle of the division is no more than nostalgia.
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You're right he won WEC title against Bryan Pardoe. Who?
WECs middleweight champion.

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hasn't beat a fighter with a winning record since the loss to shamrock.
A tough loss can do that to a fighter. He was 5 - 2 at the time of the fight, not 12 - 11

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Not exactly something to brag about.
Coming out of retirement to defeat a WEC champion shouldn't be bragged about?

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The fighters Shamrock has beaten in past 9 years since the win over Ortiz have a combined record of 31-30-2.
Cesar Gracie boasted a record of 14 - 0 at the time of his Shamrock fight. He's handed out blackbelts to how many professional fighters?

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He has fought no one in the last nine years and considering him beating anyone that is even in the middle of the division is no more than nostalgia.[/
Yeah, that sounds good, what makes you so sure that at 35 years old that his talent and skills have just suddenly gone away? Standing with Cung? Or the illegal knee to Renzo?

If he beats Lawler are you gonna say that Lawler sucks too?


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WECs middleweight champion.



A tough loss can do that to a fighter. He was 5 - 2 at the time of the fight, not 12 - 11





Coming out of retirement to defeat a WEC champion shouldn't be bragged about?



Cesar Gracie boasted a record of 14 - 0 at the time of his Shamrock fight. He's handed out blackbelts to how many professional fighters?




Yeah, that sounds good, what makes you so sure that at 35 years old that his talent and skills have just suddenly gone away? Standing with Cung? Or the illegal knee to Renzo?



If he beats Lawler are you gonna say that Lawler sucks too?
Doesn't change the fact that he beat a fighter that is low quality and can't beat anyone with a winning record.
Did I mention that Pardoe lost to a very old Don Frye this year? Check your facts. Cesar Gracie has 1 professional mma fight that he lost to Frank Shamrock. If he had beat him in a BJJ tournament that would be impressive, but this is MIXED martial arts. I still don't quite understand why losing a standing battle with Cung is impressive. That doesn't elevate him to Cung's status, which isn't top 10 in the division. By your logic we should think Stephan Bonnar can beat a top 10 fighter because you stood with Forrest. As far as Shamrock winning, I won't have to worry about it. Unless Lawler slips, falls, and knocks himself out on the cage floor, he will win.

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Doesn't change the fact that he beat a fighter that is low quality and can't beat anyone with a winning record.
I wasn't aware that a WEC champion of 5-2 was low quality with a losing record.

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Did I mention that Pardoe lost to a very old Don Frye this year?
Yes you mentioned that since he lost to Frank he's had difficulty getting back on the win track.

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Check your facts. Cesar Gracie has 1 professional mma fight that he lost to Frank Shamrock.
I have no need to check facts. Watch the Strikeforce fight. Even the announcer boasted a 14-0 record for Ceaser. It was the information given to him by Cesar. It was only after his loss that Cesar said to be his first Professional fight. The Gracies are very accurate about their fight records. Rickson claims to be 400-0

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If he had beat him in a BJJ tournament that would be impressive, but this is MIXED martial arts.
Yes it is and BJJ is allowed. Cesar has a black belt.

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I still don't quite understand why losing a standing battle with Cung is impressive.
A submission ground fighter choosing to stand and test himself against an undefeated San Shao champion. It was a great display of heart and skill, and I admit a bit foolish, but it was impressive.

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By your logic we should think Stephan Bonnar can beat a top 10 fighter because you stood with Forrest.
It is your own flawed logic which draws you to this conclusion, seeing to as Forrest doesn't use the same fighting style these days that he did when he fought Bonnar.

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As far as Shamrock winning, I won't have to worry about it. Unless Lawler slips, falls, and knocks himself out on the cage floor, he will win

Less likley than Frank hittin him hard enough to drop him, than submitting him.


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