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Old 07-30-2008, 02:47 AM   #41 (permalink)
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I wasn't aware that a WEC champion of 5-2 was low quality with a losing record.



Yes you mentioned that since he lost to Frank he's had difficulty getting back on the win track.



I have no need to check facts. Watch the Strikeforce fight. Even the announcer boasted a 14-0 record for Ceaser. It was the information given to him by Cesar. It was only after his loss that Cesar said to be his first Professional fight. The Gracies are very accurate about their fight records. Rickson claims to be 400-0



Yes it is and BJJ is allowed. Cesar has a black belt.



A submission ground fighter choosing to stand and test himself against an undefeated San Shao champion. It was a great display of heart and skill, and I admit a bit foolish, but it was impressive.



It is your own flawed logic which draws you to this conclusion, seeing to as Forrest doesn't use the same fighting style these days that he did when he fought Bonnar.




Less likley than Frank hittin him hard enough to drop him, than submitting him.
I never said the WEC champ had a losing record. I said he couldn't beat anyone with a winning record. Which is a fact. Since you are unaware that Bryan Pardoe is a low quality fighter without a win over a significant opponent in his career. Now you are aware. Also he was never the WEC champion the title was vacant. The WEC did not deem him a good enough fighter to ever ask to fight for them before that fight or after. As far as Cesar Gracie's record, here is the link to his record on sherdog.com: http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Cesar-Gracie-14882. Rickson Gracie is 11-0. The Gracie's have long claimed to have won a bunch of unofficial no holds barred fights. Counting these fights would be the same as counting Kimbo's street fights. As far as your logic for him against Le, HE LOST. He was not winning at any point in the fight. At no point did he out strike Le. Frank can't out wrestle Lawler, and he can't out strike Lawler. He will lose.
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As far as Cesar Gracie's record, here is the link to his record on sherdog.com: http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Cesar-Gracie-14882.
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The “Shamrock vs. Gracie” bill will be headlined by the long-awaited showdown between bitter rivals Frank Shamrock (20-7-1) and Cesar Gracie (14-0).
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Mixed martial arts’s oldest family rivalry will be re-ignited when former Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) middleweight king Frank Shamrock (20-7-1) collides with undefeated Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Black Belt Cesar Gracie (14-0) in a showdown at San Jose, California’s HP Pavilion on Friday, March 10th.
http://www.kickboxing.com/articles/f...ar-gracie.html

http://www.ourmedia.org/node/145530


Cesar changed the story of his fighting record after the Frank knocked him out. Had he won, his record may read 15-0


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As far as your logic for him against Le, HE LOST. He was not winning at any point in the fight. At no point did he out strike Le. Frank can't out wrestle Lawler, and he can't out strike Lawler. He will lose.
Late in the third before the arm break he had Le backpeddling.

As far as him not being able to outstrike or outwrestle Lawler. That is a matter of your opinion.
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Old 07-30-2008, 03:19 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Late in the third before the arm break he had Le backpeddling.

As far as him not being able to outstrike or outwrestle Lawler. That is a matter of your opinion.

Way to sight a kickboxing website to counter the largest and most respected mma website. I also noticed you didn't want to talk about the whole WEC title situation. Even though Le was going back, he was still landing cleaner shots, oh and he WON. Frank will get finished in either the first or second round.
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Way to sight a kickboxing website to counter the largest and most respected mma website.
Sherdog? U R 2 funny.

I see you didn't comment on Cesar changing his tale of the tape.

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What else would you like to give me your opinion about?


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Even though Le was going back, he was still landing cleaner shots,
At the time he was back peddling no he wasn't.

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That's what your mouth says.
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That's what your mouth says.

No. It's what his keyboard says. He didn't speak it; he typed it.

Just trying to be accurate
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No. It's what his keyboard says.
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His keyboard can talk?! Holy cow, now that is accurate.!
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had frank not have broken his arm i think he would have ended up knocking cung out either that or saying **** it and submit him.he will beat him in the rematch dont worry and frank/lawlers going to be a fun war. but frank will take it of course.
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That's what your mouth says.
You're right sherdog isn't well respected. That's why yahoo sports uses them as one of the only two outside contributors for mma. ESPN uses them as their only mma outside contributer. And when Randy Couture wanted to write his book he picked the co editor from sherdog to co-author. I'm sure you're little kickboxing website has as many accolades. As far as Gracie name one opponent he has fought besides Shamrock. Seriously who has there been? The reason you won't be able to give me name is because the other "fights" were nonsanctioned bouts that don't count as professional fights.
Look it's sometimes hard to admit when time and the sport has passed our favorite fighters by, but it has past Frank. Frank is in the same position his brother was in a fews years back. He can keep fighting and get dismantled like Ken did by Tito, or he can accept that it is over. I know everyone has been saying well Frank should have taken Le down. Le does have good takedown defense. There is no guarantee Frank could take him down.
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You're right sherdog isn't well respected. That's why yahoo sports uses them as one of the only two outside contributors for mma. ESPN uses them as their only mma outside contributer. And when Randy Couture wanted to write his book he picked the co editor from sherdog to co-author
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I'm sure you're little kickboxing website has as many accolades.
I don't own the website. But I can see how you confuse such.

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As far as Gracie name one opponent he has fought besides Shamrock. Seriously who has there been? The reason you won't be able to give me name is because the other "fights" were nonsanctioned bouts that don't count as professional fights.
Ask Cesar, he boasted the record. After Frank knocked him out, he changed his tune. Maybe Sherdog can tell you why.

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Look it's sometimes hard to admit when time and the sport has passed our favorite fighters by, but it has past Frank. Frank is in the same position his brother was in a fews years back. He can keep fighting and get dismantled like Ken did by Tito, or he can accept that it is over.
You should write for Dr. Phil.

Look I know that we won't be able to convince eachother of any thing. So we can continue to debate or agree to disagree. Either or suits me.
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Id rather see this fight in Strikeforce cause I love Shammy as an announcer on Elite XC I think Frank will win and then he wont be annoucing and Im gonna have to mute future CBS cards.
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