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Old 08-03-2008, 09:01 PM   #71 (permalink)
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We can do that. I'll have to think of a good avatar for my side of the bet. Give me some time on it.
It's a deal, the way I like to do it is the winner has to pick a picture from the fight for the loser to use.
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I'll have to get one of Frank choking Lawler out than.
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:23 AM   #73 (permalink)
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Frank would knock Robbie out. I never understood all this hype with Robbie Lawler, yea hes pretty fun to watch but who has he really beaten. Frank has faught and beat tougher guys and will outstrike Robbie like he did to Baroni. I hate Frank and like Robbie but Robbie will get worked.
Frank wont have the skill it takes to strike with Robbie. This "who you've beat" crap is for the birds its how you match up against your opponent and Robbie has some serious stand up advantages. Wile frank was collecting dust Lawler was improving his game and now at this point, Im not even sure frank can get Robbie to the ground and that’s his only real hope to win. If he stands with Robbie it will only be till Lawler sits him down and that will dish him out his what second loss in a row?

Then again I’ve never liked either Ken or Frank. But at the same time I never liked the old Robbie Lawler either but with the improvements he's made I really think he’s came into his own and is top five in the weight class which frank certainly is not anymore.
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God, you both need to work on your grammar before you forum argue again and Frank better get those braces removed before the fight...lol

I do hope Frank wins, though.
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God, you both need to work on your grammar before you forum argue again and Frank better get those braces removed before the fight...lol

I do hope Frank wins, though.
My grammar is good enough to get my point across to anyone with fair comprehension. <- Hope you can get the idea there as there really is no grammar involved...
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What impresses me more is that you've went from 31-30-2 gotten proved wrong, and are now at 18-11-2. And are still disputing and discounting his ability. The fact that you'll altar his numbers to fit your arguments picture is funny, wait a minute, is that you Cesar??............



Until Lawler fights with Frank we'll not know who is better. But if we were to go on acheivements, titles, and notable victories as you're suggesting, than yes Frank would be better.



What's your evidence..... rankings? Not good enough. Giving evidence of acheivements and rankings will not effect the outcome of this fight. Franks carreer has been vastly superior to Robbies in every aspect. If you choose to dispute this fact I'll prove you wrong so It'd be wise to move on from this point.



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Haven't attacked you. I think Frank has better wrestling than Robbie, I beleive his striking is vastly underrated and he has more experience.
I completely agree Frank's career has had a more impressive career than Lawler. However the accolades and high points in his career we're long ago. Lawler is just starting to gain his accolades and respect. Past accomplishment don't make a fighter a current contender. For instance, when Ali fought Holmes, there is no denying that Holmes had fewer accomplishments. He still destroyed Ali, because Ali was to far past his prime. As far as Frank being able to stand with Lawler, he probably could stand and lose like he did with Le. Frank does not have knock out power. Lawler's wrestling is better than Frnak's and he will be working with better wrestlers in training than Frank. I would have respected the answer that Frank would catch him in a submission from his back, since it has happened to Lawler before. Frank winning a stand-up war, or out wrestling someone with wrestling skills? Don't be ridiculous.
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When your wrong your wrong and you are wrong LOL!

Really I see a very improved Robbie Lawler and people don’t give him much credit for the changes he’s made.

Watching him fight smith who is a very good striker it was nice to see him slip almost every punch to some degree be patient and take his time. The old Robbie would have just ran in swinging till someone got ko'd.

As for the ground game (that we have yet to see for a wile now) Im willing to go out on a limb there and say training with matt Hughes has probably boned up that weak spot quite a bit. Im not debating about who's better ON the ground but Im not convinced Shamrock can get it TO the ground and if he dose I think he will have the edge just not some massive advantage.

If this fight stays striking shamrock will take a tremendous butt whooping. Robbie is faster, has better head movement and strikes harder, I cant see how anyone would think the odds are that Shamrock would beat him at this point in time.

I love nostalgia as much as the next guy but I cant see Robbie Lawler as a turning point for Frank, Robbie’s too good and I think you overrate shamrock quite a bit.
While Lawler has improved, he still gets incredibly sloppy. He still swings wildly and still gets reckless when his opponent starts swinging on him.

Scott Smith is your typical banger. he's heavy handed and that's about it. Decent boxing, not much else in terms of stand-up.

Robbie's wrestling is pretty good, but his ground game is still not that great. At least, it's not on Frank Shamrock's level. If the fight did hit the ground, Robbie would be in big trouble, as Frank would submit him. Frank will not take Robbie down, though, since he'd be whooping him standing.

Shamrock has shown that he can take a tremendous butt whooping. The guy has an iron chin. No way is Robbie faster, as Frank's stand-up is incredibly quick and technical. Frank's been a great stand-up fighter since 1999 and he's only gotten better in that department.

Nostalgia has nothing to do with it, really. Frank's just a better striker than Robbie and, at this point, a better fighter. He hasn't reached Ken Shamrock-levels of washed up just yet. The guy has, at least, 3 more good fights left in him.
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