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Shamrock eyes November fight with Robbie Lawler

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#2 ·
O man this would be great. Frank is such a great promoter for the sport so Lawler vs Frank on CBS would be great. I think Frank would ebat Lawler if he takes this fight seriously and since Frank wouldn't want to lose on CBS I think he would win.
 
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Which Renzo fight did you watch? Renzo layed and prayed in side control. Did he even land one clean strike from the top?

This of course is after Frank knocked out Renzo's brother Cesar on an earlier card.

On the Cung fight, c'mon now Frank stood and kickboxed with an undefeated San Shao champion. And by the end of the third round Frank was closing the gap. So his arm broke, blocking a kick, it happens. His Legacy is in tact.

How can you question Franks legacy? He's held titles in WEC, Pancrease, UFC, and Strikeforce. He was also the WKC submission champ. He vacated the UFC title, which by the way is the only reason Tito Ortiz was able to wear it. Because Tito tried taking it from Frank and Frank put Tito on his ass. Frank was also undefeated in the UFC.

On the Fight being too tough for Frank to take, well he'll take any tough fight. And he's got hands from hell. He is capable of upsetting Lawler.

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#63 ·
When your wrong your wrong and you are wrong LOL!

Really I see a very improved Robbie Lawler and people don’t give him much credit for the changes he’s made.

Watching him fight smith who is a very good striker it was nice to see him slip almost every punch to some degree be patient and take his time. The old Robbie would have just ran in swinging till someone got ko'd.

As for the ground game (that we have yet to see for a wile now) Im willing to go out on a limb there and say training with matt Hughes has probably boned up that weak spot quite a bit. Im not debating about who's better ON the ground but Im not convinced Shamrock can get it TO the ground and if he dose I think he will have the edge just not some massive advantage.

If this fight stays striking shamrock will take a tremendous butt whooping. Robbie is faster, has better head movement and strikes harder, I cant see how anyone would think the odds are that Shamrock would beat him at this point in time.

I love nostalgia as much as the next guy but I cant see Robbie Lawler as a turning point for Frank, Robbie’s too good and I think you overrate shamrock quite a bit. :)
 
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I REALLY REALLY hope this fight happens, now that it is rumoured - I so need this to happen, I just think it would be class... I'd be rooting for Frank, and it would be awesome.
 
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Look at the guys Tito defended his title against. None of them where that good until Couture showed up and that was years later.

Do you think Frank was scared of Tanner? Yuki Kondo? Patrick Cote? Wanderlei before anyone was really scared of him? He fought Elvis Sinosic and beat him before he fought Tito. What was Frank scared of?

Cung Le broke Frank's arm stop trolling or at least get better at it.
 
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You don't use your jaw to clinch or strike with.

We all know that she's a girl.
 
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How do you not respect Frank in the Cung Le fight?
Frank's bread and butter is submissions and he put that aside to go toe to toe with arguably one of the best strikers in MMA. He even rocked Le a few times. Cung Le wouldn't even go to the ground with Frank. If it wasn't for the arm injury we would be seeing a different outcome.
 
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I don't beleive that Frank was dumb for standing.

I beleive that once Frank was in the cage with Cung, the way he didn't push the pace or close the distance was really dumb.

He was putting on a show, he was joking and throwing a kick and than backing up into the center of the cage again.

He was not aggressive enough for Cung. I still beleive that his stand up is worthy of Cung if he didn't screw around with those antics.

He came to put on a show, not to fight. That was his dumb move.
 
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No JP the fact he decided to stand was dumb.

Why would you stand with Cung Le who has proven stand up when he has an unknown ground game?

Frank could've gotten it to the ground a couple times and didn't seem very interested. He had a much greater chance of winning the fight on the ground than on the feet where it was maybe a 50/50 fight.

I don't blame Frank for wanting to put on a show but it was a terrible fight strategy.
 
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The thing is Cungs ground game is not unknown. Not to Frank. They're both from San Jose California, they've known eachother for years and they sparred together for so long.

Frank wanted to knock him out. And maybe he would have had a better chance had he not decided to play games and make jokes in the cage during the fight.

It just really looked like he didn't take Cung serious and I beleive that was his dumbest move.
 
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JP Frank only sparred stand up with Cung since Cung was only San Shou at that time.

Frank hasn't trained with Cung's ground game.

I agree he would've had a better chance if he didn't play games however his best plan would've been taking him down and fighting on the ground.

Not playing to your strengths is a bad gameplan.
 
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I find it hard to beleive that in all that sparring with Cung that Frank and Cung never tested ground game.

But maybe you're right, and I have no proof to dispute your point so I'll concede to it.

I still think that Franks approach to the stand up game in not being aggressive was his fatal flaw.

But who knows. I'd like to see the rematch.
 
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Even Vitor at his full potential would have a hell of a time with Frank.

Frank has good takedowns and is better on the ground than Vitor. On the feet Frank is very techinical and avoids damage well in fact he blocked too much damage against Cung and got his arm broken.

I don't think Vitor would have much a chance against Frank.
 
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I agree Frank is a hell of a match up for anyone. I'm not going to argue about the Vitor thing, because at this moment in time it wouldn't even be close.

I don't see why anyone would say he would lose to Lawler is all.
 
#36 ·
Shamrock should be able to take Lawler, but Robbie is one of those dangerous guys that can take a fight at any moment. For sure, a fight between the two would be very entertaining.

I'm just wondering why Frank decided that he wanted to visit the Orthodonist to get his grill fixed now of all times. I know his smile has been busted for a while, but in this profession that would just be a bitch to deal with.

With the amount of money he has, I would have expected that he would have gotten an Invisi-liner or something. Oh well, that's another topic for a different discussion...
 
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You're right he won WEC title against Bryan Pardoe. Who?
WECs middleweight champion.

hasn't beat a fighter with a winning record since the loss to shamrock.
A tough loss can do that to a fighter. He was 5 - 2 at the time of the fight, not 12 - 11

Not exactly something to brag about.
Coming out of retirement to defeat a WEC champion shouldn't be bragged about?

The fighters Shamrock has beaten in past 9 years since the win over Ortiz have a combined record of 31-30-2.
Cesar Gracie boasted a record of 14 - 0 at the time of his Shamrock fight. He's handed out blackbelts to how many professional fighters?

He has fought no one in the last nine years and considering him beating anyone that is even in the middle of the division is no more than nostalgia.[/
Yeah, that sounds good, what makes you so sure that at 35 years old that his talent and skills have just suddenly gone away? Standing with Cung? Or the illegal knee to Renzo?

If he beats Lawler are you gonna say that Lawler sucks too?
 
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WECs middleweight champion.



A tough loss can do that to a fighter. He was 5 - 2 at the time of the fight, not 12 - 11





Coming out of retirement to defeat a WEC champion shouldn't be bragged about?



Cesar Gracie boasted a record of 14 - 0 at the time of his Shamrock fight. He's handed out blackbelts to how many professional fighters?




Yeah, that sounds good, what makes you so sure that at 35 years old that his talent and skills have just suddenly gone away? Standing with Cung? Or the illegal knee to Renzo?



If he beats Lawler are you gonna say that Lawler sucks too?
Doesn't change the fact that he beat a fighter that is low quality and can't beat anyone with a winning record.
Did I mention that Pardoe lost to a very old Don Frye this year? Check your facts. Cesar Gracie has 1 professional mma fight that he lost to Frank Shamrock. If he had beat him in a BJJ tournament that would be impressive, but this is MIXED martial arts. I still don't quite understand why losing a standing battle with Cung is impressive. That doesn't elevate him to Cung's status, which isn't top 10 in the division. By your logic we should think Stephan Bonnar can beat a top 10 fighter because you stood with Forrest. As far as Shamrock winning, I won't have to worry about it. Unless Lawler slips, falls, and knocks himself out on the cage floor, he will win.
 
#50 ·
Id rather see this fight in Strikeforce cause I love Shammy as an announcer on Elite XC I think Frank will win and then he wont be annoucing and Im gonna have to mute future CBS cards.
 
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#56 ·
Frank's the man, but Gracie & Pardoe were not, I repeat were NOT good wins for the guy. Freakin' Pardoe was a member of Team Cannon for crying out loud. Dude sucked. He sucked, a lot.

Cesar Gracie was a teacher who had zero MMA fights. Him grappling with his friends and students does not equal fighting.

I liked the Sinosic win, though, since Elvis was actually a pretty decent fighter around that time period. Good fight, too, but Frank would say differently.
 
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