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Old 08-02-2008, 10:51 PM   #21 (permalink)

 
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Not really?!?? Fedor is a HW and he may be the best heavyweight but to say the talent depth is as deep at HW as at LW is absurd its not even close.
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Old 08-02-2008, 10:59 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I really don't agree with Mir.

Am I to understand that best P4P fighter in the world is only defined by the imagination of the person doing the ranking?

On paper, Fedor is undoubtedly the best fighter in the world.

Argue about opinions all you want, but who else has fought and dismantled as many top fighters as he has without being beaten once? Ever.

I'm looking forward to Big Nog steamrolling through him now.
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Old 08-02-2008, 11:37 PM   #23 (permalink)
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objectively fedor is P4P best fighter in the world. Who has his fight undefeated record and has accomplished more in their MMA career than he?

Subjectively that's a different story obviously. Anyone can make a case argument for X fighter being p4p, etc.

Personally i think p4p rankings are unrealistic. If you subscribe to Mir's beliefs than p4p rankings will be a never ending argument. The fact of the matter is is that there is a weight class for a reason. Not everyone fights at the same weight so why bother to classify all fighters as if they do? It's like fantasizing about the dream fights that will never happen...and having a 15pg thread about who would win etc. I think Mir's jealous that he's not getting any love and has to divert the attention away from fedor.
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Old 08-02-2008, 11:40 PM   #24 (permalink)
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objectively fedor is P4P best fighter in the world. Who has his fight undefeated record and has accomplished more in their MMA career than he?

Subjectively that's a different story obviously. Anyone can make a case argument for X fighter being p4p, etc.

Personally i think p4p rankings are unrealistic. If you subscribe to Mir's beliefs than p4p rankings will be a never ending argument. The fact of the matter is is that there is a weight class for a reason. Not everyone fights at the same weight so why bother to classify all fighters as if they do? It's like fantasizing about the dream fights that will never happen...and having a 15pg thread about who would win etc. I think Mir's jealous that he's not getting any love and has to divert the attention away from fedor.
you're right about one thing. P4P lists are utterly useless.
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Old 08-03-2008, 10:15 AM   #25 (permalink)
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For me, p4p is: you give a fighter a certain specific level of how good of a fighter (open weight wise) he is, and then divide that with his fighting weight. (Simply: the fighter divided by his own weight). It's by far the most mathematical approach and it would tell us literally how good a fighter is pond for pound (since the answer would be of the unit "fighting skill/strength per pound")

Problem is, it would be very hard to give a fighter a numerical rating, thus making this approach ungainly. It would, however, be the best way logially speaking.

I say can't we just say that we have an unranked top 5 (i.e. the estimated 5 best p4p fighters with no ranking between them), and the same with the number 6-10 p4p fighters. Cuse most of us think that Anderson, GSP, Fedor, BJ Penn belong in the top 5. We only argue aout where to rank them. So wouldn't it be better not to compare them to eachother? We would save a LOT of discussion time that way. (p4p arguments are starting to tire me out )
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Joppp, would that just favor lightweights a ton? And since it's considered the heavier you are the more difficult it is to maintain technical ability it's somewhat counterproductive?
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Pound for pound could be the stupidest argument ever. Noone will ever know who truly is better pound for pound so we should just stop arguing about it.

But I do understand what Mir is saying. I just having a hard time putting anyone ahead of Fedor because he has never been beaten. Unlike, BJ, Silva, and GSP who have multiple losses.
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Old 08-03-2008, 11:34 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Pound for pound could be the stupidest argument ever. Noone will ever know who truly is better pound for pound so we should just stop arguing about it.
Not at all, there are plenty of things that won't happen or we won't ever know about - but we still speculate, and there is nothing wrong with doing so.

After all, this is a Forum.
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Fedor isnt even on my top 10 p4p list.

I did put him on my top 10 quickest ways to die in russia list.
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Not really?!?? Fedor is a HW and he may be the best heavyweight but to say the talent depth is as deep at HW as at LW is absurd its not even close.
To me, "P4P"---as ambiguous as it may be---notes the ability of a fighter to go up and down in weight and remain successful. Who here is going to say that Fedor couldn't go down to LHW and beat everyone?
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