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Old 08-04-2008, 08:51 PM   #31 (permalink)
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To me, "P4P"---as ambiguous as it may be---notes the ability of a fighter to go up and down in weight and remain successful. Who here is going to say that Fedor couldn't go down to LHW and beat everyone?
well to say that would be majorly speculating.

I'd say a lot of light heavyweights could class up and be successful without gaining an ounce.
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Old 08-04-2008, 08:54 PM   #32 (permalink)
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well to say that would be majorly speculating.

I'd say a lot of light heavyweights could class up and be successful without gaining an ounce.
Well, "pound for pound" is a term that refers to "major speculation" so I don't think it's entirely fallacious of me to...well... speculate lol.
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Well, "pound for pound" is a term that refers to "major speculation" so I don't think it's entirely fallacious of me to...well... speculate lol.
I'd be inclined to agree with you.
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To me, "P4P"---as ambiguous as it may be---notes the ability of a fighter to go up and down in weight and remain successful.
So your definition pretty much contradicts the definition that the people who came up with pound for pound used.

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So your definition pretty much contradicts the definition that the people who came up with pound for pound used.
Could you explain who came up with this term? I'd really like to know so I could RHK them
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Could you explain who came up with this term? I'd really like to know so I could RHK them
People came up with it to describe Sugar Ray Robinson. This is what I posted earlier here or in another thread.

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Even the people who coined the term pound for pound knew that smaller fighters would rarely beat bigger fighters and this is why even though they knew that Sugar Ray Robinson could beat anyone at his weightclass he wouldn't be able to beat a top HW. But because he as a middleweight was still a better quality fighter than any fighter fighting at heavier or lighter weights than him, SRR was the pound for pound best fighter.
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People came up with it to describe Sugar Ray Robinson. This is what I posted earlier here or in another thread.
Thanks for providing that. I think it's going to be especially difficult with regard to MMA because there's simply so much to consider, not just the striking (which is the main focus of determining the best P4P boxer).

If we're looking at technique and sheer skills vs skills, I'd still wager that Fedor is ahead of the pack.
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Thanks for providing that. I think it's going to be especially difficult with regard to MMA because there's simply so much to consider, not just the striking (which is the main focus of determining the best P4P boxer).

If we're looking at technique and sheer skills vs skills, I'd still wager that Fedor is ahead of the pack.
when you're in the highest weight class you don't have to add the P4P. if you're the best you'd just be the best in the world.

well except that the skillset of heavyweights in MMA is very limited
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when you're in the highest weight class you don't have to add the P4P. if you're the best you'd just be the best in the world.

well except that the skillset of heavyweights in MMA is very limited
If that theory were even close to being true, I guess you would consider Butterbean or Hong Man Choi the best P4P world Just because you weigh more, doesn't make you a better fighter, or have the better fighters.

P4P in MMA is just too damn hard to call, there are way too many factors to put into place to decide an overall #1, #2, #3 etc. etc. One night, one fighters BJJ and takedowns might be on and could easily overwelm a striker, while the next fight that striker's TDD and striking skills could KTFO out of the grappler.

That's why in boxing it is much easier to declare a P4P King, simply because boxing doesn't have a vast amount of fightings styles to account for.
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