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Fedor>all · 08-01-2008, 09:21 PM

http://mmamania.com/2008/08/01/frank...ings/#comments

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“I don’t have Fedor being in the top … I don’t have him above B.J. Penn, St. Pierre. I think that if all those guys weighed 155 pounds, that Fedor can’t beat B.J., he can’t beat Georges St. Pierre, and that’s what pound for pound means. It means that if they were exactly the same size. I think that some people are a little misunderstanding of that whole idea.”

Former UFC heavyweight champion Frank Mir takes exception to the pound-for-pound ranking of Fedor Emelianenko on the recent top 10 list released by ESPN (fan votes were responsible for the order). He argues that the term is often misunderstood among those who attempt to create such lists. For example, Mir feels that a fighter such as WEC Bantamweight Champion Miguel Torres — who can compete at several different weight classes and likely be successful — should be top two or three. UFC Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva received 49 percent of the votes to take the top spot and Fedor — who came in second — tallied 40 percent of first place nominations.

Anyone else laugh at the bolded part? If BJ or GSP fought at HW, Fedor would whoop them because that's HIS weight-class. The reason those two fighters are so strong at their respective weight-classes is because they're best suited to them physically.

Thanks Frank Mir for making the already ambiguous term "pound for pound" even more confusing.

**Shamrock-Ortiz** · 08-01-2008, 10:16 PM

Yeah I actually saw this earlier and stopped reading after the bold part.

That's just ridiculous, if Fedor was 155lbs, he'd be even more athletic than he is, and he's damn athletic for a heavyweight, if BJ or GSP were 230lbs, they'd be much less athletic.

P4P is TO ME, all there abilities and skills.

Fedor to me is better than Anderson because his ground is obviously tons better, his striking is on par (You can disagree with me if you will) His wrestling/throws are tons better. Fedor P4P wise is better than Anderson to me, BJ is closer to Fedor, his boxing is incredible for a mixed martial artist, we all know how great BJ is at BJJ, he has great flexibility and TDD/wrestling. GSP has tremendous wrestling, great ground. Great striking, but below Anderson, Fedor and BJ in that department.

Personally P4P I have..

Fedor Emelianenko
BJ Penn
Georges St Pierre
Anderson Silva

For the exact reasons above.

I don't care who's fought who recently or how well they've done, in that order is what I believe the P4P best fighters in the world are.

Ranking wise, people do it alot different, people feel the need to put Anderson top for that, because of how well he's doing, not how good he is. IMO.

I am not underrating Silva here, he is the best in the MW division by a street. Just ability wise, he is below those other 3.

**Toxic** · 08-01-2008, 11:24 PM

Thats how I have always considered P4P to mean, I 100% agree with Mir.

**Judoka** · 08-01-2008, 11:57 PM

How i have it is there all round MMA game without weight being an issue. Say they are all the same weight but with the same athleticism and skills which is how i think of P4P.

Mine is,
1. Fedor Emelianenko
2. Anderson Silva
3. Georges St Pierre
4. BJ Penn

**Shamrock-Ortiz** · 08-01-2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Toxic

Thats how I have always considered P4P to mean, I 100% agree with Mir.

But how could you say that Fedor would not beat BJ at 155lbs, it's impossible to know. Fedor isn't even a big heavyweight that uses his size and strength as his biggest advantage, I could see it that way if this were the case. But it's Fedors skills that are so great.

There absolutely no point at looking it like, who would beat who if they were at that weight class, it's ludicrous, because you simply cannot do it.

EDIT:
It's quite obvious Frank Mir doesn't like Fedor as it's not the first time he's spoken about him in the "oooh he isn't the best" way. I'd love to see Fedor fight Mir, I'm pretty sure it would change his mind.

daitrong · 08-02-2008, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Toxic

Thats how I have always considered P4P to mean, I 100% agree with Mir.

if you agree with Mir that fedor can't beat bj penn or GSP at their weight class, then you'll also have to agree that they can't beat fedor at 230-235. You seriously can't believe that bj with an additional 70 pounds of weight will fight at the same caliber he did at 155, likewise for GSP gaining 50lbs. 3 of 4 of Bj's loses were to fighters bigger than him and most of his wins are to ppl at 155. Whereas, most of Fedor's fights, his opponents had a significant weight and reach advantage...

**MalkyBoy** · 08-02-2008, 04:35 AM

Does anyone remember the crap lates 70's or early 80's sci fi Arena? We would need something like that to sort out the P4P arguement. But that will never happen.

**Toxic** · 08-02-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by daitrong

if you agree with Mir that fedor can't beat bj penn or GSP at their weight class, then you'll also have to agree that they can't beat fedor at 230-235. You seriously can't believe that bj with an additional 70 pounds of weight will fight at the same caliber he did at 155, likewise for GSP gaining 50lbs. 3 of 4 of Bj's loses were to fighters bigger than him and most of his wins are to ppl at 155. Whereas, most of Fedor's fights, his opponents had a significant weight and reach advantage...

All things being proportionate then no I dont think Fedor could beat a BJ Penn of the same weight in any class, I just think the HW division is really lacking in skill and although Fedor is the undisputed king of the division, A good P4P example would be I'd put Josh Koscheck P4P about the same as Josh barnette, Tim Syvia about the same as Chris Leben Chris Leben, this is all in comparison so in other words Fedor beating Sylvia = BJ beating Leben.

TheNegation · 08-02-2008, 09:00 AM

Koscheck at the same level as BARNETT!?
What?

Please explain that statemnet.....

daitrong · 08-02-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Toxic

All things being proportionate then no I dont think Fedor could beat a BJ Penn of the same weight in any class, I just think the HW division is really lacking in skill and although Fedor is the undisputed king of the division, A good P4P example would be I'd put Josh Koscheck P4P about the same as Josh barnette, Tim Syvia about the same as Chris Leben Chris Leben, this is all in comparison so in other words Fedor beating Sylvia = BJ beating Leben.

that's the thing "all things" will not be proportionate. Bj Penn's body and is not made to fight heavyweight. What you're basically saying in an idea world, if Bj had the same body type as fedor he will beat fedor.. or if BJ somehow grew proportionally bigger then he will beat fedor. The fact of the matter is, a 5 foot 9, Bj penn with an addittional 70-80 lbs will perform no where near the same caliber as if he fought at 155. His athleticism, speed, agility, and Stamina is based on his current weight class, and that will change dramatically if he moves to HW.

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