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Old 09-02-2008, 04:08 PM   #11 (permalink)
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That's true, but that's really nothing new in any organization. BJ got a title shot for beating Jens Pulver, Serra got a title shot after barely beating Chris Lytle, Anderson Silva got a title shot after beating Chris Leben, Randy Couture got a title shot against Tim Sylvia without beating anyone at HW..etc.

I'd normally agree with you, but after the whooping KJ put on Yves Edwards, I think he's the rightful champ.
I think the only example you gave that actually compares is that of Matt Serra. Every other example, Penn, Silva, and Randy, "earned" their shot because of their career as a whole. It isn't completely fair, but it's better for an A level fighter to beat a decent opponent and get a shot, than a B level fighter, that has done very little in MMA, getting a shot after beating another B level fighter.

Serra is like Noons. He barely beat Lytle (I don't even think he beat Lytle IMO) and then got a title shot because of a TV show. It is crappy, but it is what it is. At least Serra didn't start saying how GSP didn't deserve a rematch because of the beating he put on him.

As I've said before, I don't disagree with all of what Noons said, only his problems with pay and not fighting Diaz. He signed the contract, quit whining. Also, it isn't up to you to decide who's next in line for a shot.
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Old 09-02-2008, 04:15 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm with all the people that feel KJ needs to put some more time in before he starts whining.

He's not a draw, he needs to be thankful that he's gotten $83,000 over the last two years. If he wants more money, he needs to fight more often and earn a name for himself.
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Old 09-02-2008, 05:51 PM   #13 (permalink)
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kj needs to focus on defending the belt and not making the shots....


you should have figured this may have happened before you made all the agreements and signed your name on the dotted line
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Old 09-02-2008, 06:05 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Don't forget, Nick Diaz got his title shot after a controversial win against Mike Aina!
Good point, thanks for reminding me!

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I think the only example you gave that actually compares is that of Matt Serra. Every other example, Penn, Silva, and Randy, "earned" their shot because of their career as a whole. It isn't completely fair, but it's better for an A level fighter to beat a decent opponent and get a shot, than a B level fighter, that has done very little in MMA, getting a shot after beating another B level fighter.
I get what you're saying, but I personally feel that more than one win in a division is warranted before a title shot, regardless of what you did in other organizations.

BJ was coming off two straights losses at welterweight, he beats Pulver at LW and all of a sudden he's ahead of Tyson Griffin in the title race? Tyson's not a B fighter, and at the time he had beaten two top LW competitors in Guida and Tavares.

I love BJ Penn, but he really should have earned his shot. Chuck Liddell has to earn his title shot despite his accomplishments in the UFC, so why does BJ get a free pass?

Marquardt should have gotten a title shot before Silva, because he was on a four fight winstreak. Why should Silva's accomplishments in Japan mean more than Marquardt's inside the UFC?

How did Randy earn a title shot through his career as a whole anyway? At HW Randy isn't that accomplished.
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Old 09-02-2008, 06:17 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Good point, thanks for reminding me!



I get what you're saying, but I personally feel that more than one win in a division is warranted before a title shot, regardless of what you did in other organizations.

BJ was coming off two straights losses at welterweight, he beats Pulver at LW and all of a sudden he's ahead of Tyson Griffin in the title race? Tyson's not a B fighter, and at the time he had beaten two top LW competitors in Guida and Tavares.

I love BJ Penn, but he really should have earned his shot. Chuck Liddell has to earn his title shot despite his accomplishments in the UFC, so why does BJ get a free pass?

Marquardt should have gotten a title shot before Silva, because he was on a four fight winstreak. Why should Silva's accomplishments in Japan mean more than Marquardt's inside the UFC?

How did Randy earn a title shot through his career as a whole anyway? At HW Randy isn't that accomplished.
I agree with you that they should have to earn their shot like everyone else, however I can't ignore the fact that name recognition and notoriety does come into play.

They had at least shown themselves to be elite fighters beforehand. That's all I'm saying. Noons definitely has not done that.

I agree with what you are saying about them earning their shot, however I do not think their situations are the same as Noons'.
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Marquardt should have gotten a title shot before Silva, because he was on a four fight winstreak. Why should Silva's accomplishments in Japan mean more than Marquardt's inside the UFC?
The fans were the ones that really set that fight up because after the fight with Leben the UFC put up the poll about who should Franklin fight next and Silva was the winner by far so they set the fight up between Franklin and Silva.
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Good for KJ....I mean seriously the dude brings up some decent points, Nick has def been cared for alot more than KJ, i think KJ is ******* his career up cuz he would never make it in the UFC and now he will probably be estranged from the promotion...

Second, nate and Nick started that bullshit in the ring and they were flickin KJ's Dad off before anything popped off...i mean are you really gonna stand there on national TV and let someone disrespect your family(i doubt it and would have done the same thing)

third, if this isnt the evidence that proves Elite XC only hypes what they want...their own fighter telling people the way it really is.....

fourth.....**** Elite XC and the bullshit way they do business and promote bullshit fighters(Kimbo)


with all that said...the dude really is no major fighter and def not loved enough to bitch like this and not just get cut.....I think it takes balls to call XC out but I also think he will get tossed soon for his actions....
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The fans were the ones that really set that fight up because after the fight with Leben the UFC put up the poll about who should Franklin fight next and Silva was the winner by far so they set the fight up between Franklin and Silva.
Thats 100 percent correct...

does that bug any of you fans that the UFC does that?

Pulls favorites and will set up certain shots in different order then what some may believe are the true conteders 1-10.

Dont get me wrong, the UFC has put on many epic and great fights but it seems to be the tendency they have and at times I feel like its kinda a bummer for there employees to be sidelined like that. comments?
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The diaz brothers are hilarious.I root for them because there trash talking is always top notch
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:58 PM   #20 (permalink)
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God never thought id say this... but i kinda agree with Nick a little bit.... very very little bit! lol

but at the same time, this rematch is bullshit, Nick should not get this rematch yet. call the first fight a win by cuts all you want, KJ dominated. he stuffed alot of the take downs, landed his punches, and made Nicks face look like ground beef. Nick is tough, ill give him that, as much as i hate him and hopes he loses every fight, he is tough and talented... still hate him though.


KJ is gettin a bit of a raw deal, but he should just shut up and fight.
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