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Old 09-19-2008, 10:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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MMAOpinion Podcast: Episode 2 w. Me

So, the second episode of the podcast is up.

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Ok I listened to it last night.

Thought maybe you would of given thoughts about the main event, it was probably FOTN.

I enjoyed it though, I love listening to people's views on MMA as I can't talk to ANYONE about it here where I live. Only person who watches it

I didn't realise anybody would be that shocked over Houston losing anymore though:P Especially to a sub guy. I agree that he doesn't have good standup either.

If anything I was impressed by Houston, he was actually better than I thought he would be at avoiding the takedown, he also layed a wooping on Schafer for most of the round. But yeah, wasn't too suprised that he lost.

I enjoyed listening to the bit about the TUF guy that Curtis interviewed. Since I haven't watched the first show yet, I'm looking forward to see how this guy looks now.

I agree about Ed Herman, would be nice to see him go to train at ATT. Good idea.

Glad you spoke about DREAM and Sengoku. Just a lil mistake not sure if it was a slip of the tongue or what, but Roger Gracie already had 2 fights in MMA.

I don't know if we can say Xande and Roger WILL be a force just yet. We would of been getting a better idea about Roger if his fight with Wiuff was still on Because Wiuff is a tough well rounded fighter who could of tested Roger's chin. I think it was Curtis who brought up the point about Frank Mir, said that they can be good in MMA with just there jiu jitsu because Frank was.

I think we're in a different era of MMA now, people are so much more well rounded that I don't think you can have "just jiu jitsu" or just striking anymore. Especially in the Light Heavyweight division, which is probably where Xande will fight?

You said that if Bisping thinks that Leben doesn't have a chin because of the Anderson fight, and if he's thinking "if he can do it, I can do it" That he's underestimating Leben's chin and overestimating his own power. I was just wondering if there is an interview with Bisping that made you say this?? Like did Bisping actually say anything silly like that or not?

They probably won't have Anderson Silva as a coach on TUF because of the language barrier.

I agree USA are tons better on the ground and wrestling than UK, USA have college wrestling and the like. UK don't do that unfortunately It sucks.

I don't think the Lesnar/Couture match is too close on betting websites.. That is a very tough match for Couture, he shouldn't just be ahead odds wise because he is smart.. Brock is going to be alot stronger, Couture doesn't throw too many submissions off his back, therefore this is a seriously tough fight for Couture. Being smart does not matter if you cannot choose where the fight stays. I'm not saying he can't, but it's a ridiculously close fight. The bookies are COMPLETELY right to have the odds this close.

I don't think Couture is arguably the top heavyweight in history. It's not even close between him and Fedor as to who is the best Heavyweight ever. Nogueira is above him when it comes to top heavyweight in history aswell.

I am picking Couture btw.

""Once he losses again, if he loses badly, he's going to be hard to get name value out of. You're not going to be able to juice his name value""

I don't think that Brock will lose name value once he loses. Loads of top MMA fighters lose, it doesn't mean anything. People can come back. That's probably the silliest thing said on the show, no offence. Chuck came back from losses over Rampage and Jardine, he's one of the biggest drawers. Forrest lost to Jardine badly and has comeback fine.

Too many people think that once someone loses, that's it, much less people want to watch them. It doesn't work like that in MMA, not at all.

PPV is the best way to make money if you can make it work, so there is no need to put him on UFN's against Mark Coleman, when they can put him against Randy Couture on PPV and make it possibly the biggest fight in MMA history. If he does lose, it's not it at all for his name value, especially considering the fight will probably be close. Brock isn't about to get KTFO or anything here.

""If he ends up 2-2, 2-3, 2-4, because you are putting him in there with guys who are going to woop his ass all the time""

Would they do that though? I don't think they would be that silly. Odds are he faces a guy like Cheick Kongo if he loses to Couture.

Personally I think Brock doesn't have anywhere near the best conditioning out of any MMA fighter bar none. I think he was pretty tired in that 3rd round, but his crazy strength pulled him through. 5 Round fights is gonna be hard for him, especially considering alot of this fight could go down in the clinch.

""He may dominate as he is now with no jiu jitsu, just take them down and the L+P tactic""

I think there are plenty of guys who that wouldn't work against. Nog, Werdum, Gonzaga. He won't dominate with this tactic and no jiu jitsu, when there are guys like this in the division.

""Key number 1, you've GOT to be well rounded""
He just totally contradicted himself:P

Just my thoughts there, I enjoyed the show.

How often are you going to do these?
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Ok I listened to it last night.

Thought maybe you would of given thoughts about the main event, it was probably FOTN.

I enjoyed it though, I love listening to people's views on MMA as I can't talk to ANYONE about it here where I live. Only person who watches it
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I didn't realise anybody would be that shocked over Houston losing anymore though:P Especially to a sub guy. I agree that he doesn't have good standup either.

If anything I was impressed by Houston, he was actually better than I thought he would be at avoiding the takedown, he also layed a wooping on Schafer for most of the round. But yeah, wasn't too suprised that he lost.
I just thought that Schafer's takedowns were avoidable, and yet Houston somehow managed to make Schafer look like a decent wrestler.

Houston's half guard was probably the worst I've seen in MMA since the Royce Gracie days (and not Royce's half guard, the other guys' half guards).


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I enjoyed listening to the bit about the TUF guy that Curtis interviewed. Since I haven't watched the first show yet, I'm looking forward to see how this guy looks now.
Yeah, Antwain is a warrior, and the interview that Curtis did with him should be up on MMAOpinion soon. (when it is I'll post it in the TUF Section of the forum)

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I agree about Ed Herman, would be nice to see him go to train at ATT. Good idea.
Glad you liked that thought.

I have a huge amount of respect for Team Quest, and many of those guys are friends, but it's important for a young fighter like Ed to get some other coaching too.


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Glad you spoke about DREAM and Sengoku. Just a lil mistake not sure if it was a slip of the tongue or what, but Roger Gracie already had 2 fights in MMA.
Yeah, I realized that as soon as I put the podcast up and listened to it. I misspoke (corrected the error in the comments)

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I don't know if we can say Xande and Roger WILL be a force just yet. We would of been getting a better idea about Roger if his fight with Wiuff was still on Because Wiuff is a tough well rounded fighter who could of tested Roger's chin. I think it was Curtis who brought up the point about Frank Mir, said that they can be good in MMA with just there jiu jitsu because Frank was.
Xande will. I've seen his kickboxing and I can say that it's going to be competitive (obviously he's going to take his opponent down and tap him, but he's got the full game).

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I think we're in a different era of MMA now, people are so much more well rounded that I don't think you can have "just jiu jitsu" or just striking anymore. Especially in the Light Heavyweight division, which is probably where Xande will fight?
If Xande wants to, I think he can probably cut down to middleweight.

Keep in mind, his jiu-jitsu competition weight he doesn't really cut to, and he weighs in with the gi on in most competitions.


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You said that if Bisping thinks that Leben doesn't have a chin because of the Anderson fight, and if he's thinking "if he can do it, I can do it" That he's underestimating Leben's chin and overestimating his own power. I was just wondering if there is an interview with Bisping that made you say this?? Like did Bisping actually say anything silly like that or not?
Bisping has said that he's going to stand with Leben, and I think that's where this notion comes from.

He does say in the pre-fight interview (on UFC.com) that he's going to try and follow up Anderson Silva's TKO.


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They probably won't have Anderson Silva as a coach on TUF because of the language barrier.
That is kind of my thought right now, but it's always a possibility, especially with his star power.

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I agree USA are tons better on the ground and wrestling than UK, USA have college wrestling and the like. UK don't do that unfortunately It sucks.
Also, the quality of jiu-jitsu instruction out here is much better than it is in the UK, especially when you look at BJJ hotspots like Florida and California, where we have Academia, Gracie Barra, Alliance and so on.

All of the best jiu-jitsu teams from Brazil have expanded into America. The same is not true for the UK.


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I don't think the Lesnar/Couture match is too close on betting websites.. That is a very tough match for Couture, he shouldn't just be ahead odds wise because he is smart.. Brock is going to be alot stronger, Couture doesn't throw too many submissions off his back, therefore this is a seriously tough fight for Couture. Being smart does not matter if you cannot choose where the fight stays. I'm not saying he can't, but it's a ridiculously close fight. The bookies are COMPLETELY right to have the odds this close.
We'll see.

That's all I'm going to say on that, since my thoughts on Lesnar are in the podcast.

I will only reenforce that if Lesnar continues to train the way he does, he's going to have a hard time cracking the top five or ten.


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I don't think Couture is arguably the top heavyweight in history. It's not even close between him and Fedor as to who is the best Heavyweight ever. Nogueira is above him when it comes to top heavyweight in history aswell.
You know that Couture has been around a lot longer than both of those guys, right?

I'm not saying that you're wrong. I happen to agree with you, but there's a strong argument to be made for Randy.

I don't think that will be the case in ten years, because I think that we will more or less just acknowledge Fedor as the best (maybe in competition with whoever shows up to fill his place, if anyone does).


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I am picking Couture btw.
Good. You stand to make better money that you should.

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""Once he losses again, if he loses badly, he's going to be hard to get name value out of. You're not going to be able to juice his name value""

I don't think that Brock will lose name value once he loses. Loads of top MMA fighters lose, it doesn't mean anything. People can come back. That's probably the silliest thing said on the show, no offence. Chuck came back from losses over Rampage and Jardine, he's one of the biggest drawers. Forrest lost to Jardine badly and has comeback fine.
Forrest's record, after the Jardine fight, was better than .500. We're talking about Lesnar's name value as a 2-2 fighter, who's been stopped (or at least badly beated) twice.

You can call the Mir fight a fluke as long as it's his only loss, but you can't call the Mir fight a fluke if he's losing lots of fights because he has no jiu-jitsu skills.

If his weakness is that obvious, you'll get one more fight out of him, maybe, but if that fight is with a jiu-jitsu guy like Gonzaga or Werdum, he's royally f*cked.


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Too many people think that once someone loses, that's it, much less people want to watch them. It doesn't work like that in MMA, not at all.
You're absolutely right.

But we're not talking about a fighter with ten straight wins. We're not talking about a fighter with a three or four or five year career of establishing dominance and putting together an impressive highlight reel.

If Lesnar loses it's more than just a shocker that he needs to recover from, it's a pattern.


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PPV is the best way to make money if you can make it work, so there is no need to put him on UFN's against Mark Coleman, when they can put him against Randy Couture on PPV and make it possibly the biggest fight in MMA history. If he does lose, it's not it at all for his name value, especially considering the fight will probably be close. Brock isn't about to get KTFO or anything here.
Why not make money off of 4 or 5 events before giving him a title shot?

Everybody said that Randy couldn't beat Chuck or Sylvia standing up, but he did. Don't underestimate Randy's standup, especially against someone who's standup is as sloppy as Brock's.


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""If he ends up 2-2, 2-3, 2-4, because you are putting him in there with guys who are going to woop his ass all the time""

Would they do that though? I don't think they would be that silly. Odds are he faces a guy like Cheick Kongo if he loses to Couture.
Kongo and Hardonk may be the only guys in this division he matchups up well with, and the truth is, the way that Kongo has been working on his ground game, and the way that he is training to work the outside, that may not continue to be true.

So he fights Cheick, and he wins. Who does he fight?

Gonzaga kicks his ass. Werdum kicks his ass. Nogueira and Mir would still both kick his ass.

This is a division stacked with jiu-jitsu guys.

He may not lose his first fight, but he's going to have to fight them all eventually.


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Personally I think Brock doesn't have anywhere near the best conditioning out of any MMA fighter bar none. I think he was pretty tired in that 3rd round, but his crazy strength pulled him through. 5 Round fights is gonna be hard for him, especially considering alot of this fight could go down in the clinch.
I disagree with that. I think if his conditioning proves to be an issue, it will be because he's getting hit alot and getting frustrated with not doing damage.

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""He may dominate as he is now with no jiu jitsu, just take them down and the L+P tactic""

I think there are plenty of guys who that wouldn't work against. Nog, Werdum, Gonzaga. He won't dominate with this tactic and no jiu jitsu, when there are guys like this in the division.
I agree with you. I didn't say this, Curtis did, and I don't agree with it.

That's why I want to see him train at ATT or City Boxing or Ribeiro Jiu-Jitsu.


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""Key number 1, you've GOT to be well rounded""
He just totally contradicted himself:P
He's talking about being elite.

There's a difference between being elite and winning fights.

Elite guys will supercede matchups, and Lesnar, as you pointed out, can't do that with a laynpray tactic.


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Just my thoughts there, I enjoyed the show.

How often are you going to do these?
Once a week or so, is what we're shooting for.
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Ok man, I've subscribed, looking forward to the next one.

If you could, I'd like to hear who you think has the best potential as a fighter, out of all the Grapplers that have or are going to make the transition to MMA. So guys like Drysdale aswell who haven't debuted yet, but that we know are going to cross over. Stylistically, who has the best jiu jitsu for MMA in your opinion? Who will struggle because they can't get the fight to the ground? Stuff like that.

So yeah, it would be cool to hear your thoughts on that.

Whether that's on the next one, or sometime in the future, it's just a little request from me
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Ok man, I've subscribed, looking forward to the next one.

If you could, I'd like to hear who you think has the best potential as a fighter, out of all the Grapplers that have or are going to make the transition to MMA. So guys like Drysdale aswell who haven't debuted yet, but that we know are going to cross over. Stylistically, who has the best jiu jitsu for MMA in your opinion? Who will struggle because they can't get the fight to the ground? Stuff like that.

So yeah, it would be cool to hear your thoughts on that.

Whether that's on the next one, or sometime in the future, it's just a little request from me
Definitely.

Brandt and I have talked about doing a few different shows, and I'd really like to do one that focuses on the grappling aspects of MMA, because that's more my area of expertise.

So I'll definitely try and do this.

The real question is who I can get to do the podcast with me.

We've been getting alot of feedback saying that they'd like us to have some fighters on the show and add a little more humor. I'd like to do that.

I'm going to try and record the program (if I start doing my own show, not just the "Opinionated" show) through garage band because I can use some visuals.

If I did that, it'd probably be a shorter show, and there will be some times when it's just me.

I'm not sure if that would be too boring for people, as I tend to drift off into the technical jargon alot.

Let me know if that's a bad idea, and thanks for the feedback.
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You know that Couture has been around a lot longer than both of those guys, right?

I'm not saying that you're wrong. I happen to agree with you, but there's a strong argument to be made for Randy.

I don't think that will be the case in ten years, because I think that we will more or less just acknowledge Fedor as the best (maybe in competition with whoever shows up to fill his place, if anyone does).
The fact Randy's been around longer really shouldn't have an impact on him being crowned the best MMA HW ever, because he's simply not. Both Nogueira and Fedor have had more fights, and have lost a whole lot less than Randy, and really, that's all that matters.
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