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post #41 of 62 (permalink) Old 09-21-2008, 05:46 PM
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Honestly, who cares about the EliteXC title. It's pretty much a paper belt anyways. KJ Noons is stupid though. Why not just fight and tune Diaz again, make money, and then re-negotiate?

Noons vs. Alvarez would be an interesting fight. I've been on the Alvarez bandwagon ever since he crushed Aaron Riley in Vancouver. This guy is making an impact and I'd expect him to run through KJ.

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Honestly, who cares about the EliteXC title. It's pretty much a paper belt anyways. KJ Noons is stupid though. Why not just fight and tune Diaz again, make money, and then re-negotiate?

Noons vs. Alvarez would be an interesting fight. I've been on the Alvarez bandwagon ever since he crushed Aaron Riley in Vancouver. This guy is making an impact and I'd expect him to run through KJ.
Two reasons!

1. Noons wasn't making money that was the whole point of his little hissy fit. He was offered a high profile fight and he stood to make diddly squat. While the guy he did beat to become champion is being paid 3 times as much as KJ and is being marketed up the ass. Anybody would be pissed off at that end!

2. Noons probably thought it would have been easier to Re-negotiate while he was still champion. If you think about it that title was his only leverage in getting a higher salary. If he had fought Nick Diaz and lost re-negotiating his contract might be a little bit of a problem.

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Two reasons!

1. Noons wasn't making money that was the whole point of his little hissy fit. He was offered a high profile fight and he stood to make diddly squat. While the guy he did beat to become champion is being paid 3 times as much as KJ and is being marketed up the ass. Anybody would be pissed off at that end!

2. Noons probably thought it would have been easier to Re-negotiate while he was still champion. If you think about it that title was his only leverage in getting a higher salary. If he had fought Nick Diaz and lost re-negotiating his contract might be a little bit of a problem.

Well he's signed the contract so he should be pissed at himself or his agent. He should have had a pay raise written into it if he became champion if that's what he wanted, but he didn't. If a fighter like Randy Couture cannot escape a contract, there's no way KJ Noons can. You signed the deal, live up to it.
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the most hilarious part is that he now has no title but is still locked into the contract. EXC could just put him on the undercard for the rest of his career if they want to (ala Arlovski in the UFC). He very well could go another year without promotion as a result. He really has screwed himself.

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Well he's signed the contract so he should be pissed at himself or his agent. He should have had a pay raise written into it if he became champion if that's what he wanted, but he didn't. If a fighter like Randy Couture cannot escape a contract, there's no way KJ Noons can. You signed the deal, live up to it.

Have you read this thread???
Why would he be pissed at himself or his agent.....XC isnt honoring their end of the deal, how would KJ or his agent know that was gonna happen...KJ lived up to his end XC didnt...
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KJ signed the contract, so he should oblige by it and STFU and fight. This ain't boxing, he can't pick and choose who he fights, when where and how.

Diaz is the more marketable fighter, so what. Rejecting the chance to headline the CBS card is stupid.
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Have you read this thread???
Why would he be pissed at himself or his agent.....XC isnt honoring their end of the deal, how would KJ or his agent know that was gonna happen...KJ lived up to his end XC didnt...
I've heard multiple excuses from KJ so it's hard to keep track: Diaz doesn't deserve title shot, Diaz makes more money, I want to box, I want more money, etc... Which one are you referring to?

Bottomline is he refused to defend his title on CBS. That's not living up to his end. It's also a horrible decision too as it would have been great exposure for him as Kimbo and Gina are going to bring in a lot viewers. Someone should have explained future earning potential to him. But as it stands now, he's stripped of the belt and is still under the same contract and owes them 2 fights and doesn't get nationwide exposure on CBS. So how exactly was this a good move for his career?

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I've heard multiple excuses from KJ so it's hard to keep track: Diaz doesn't deserve title shot, Diaz makes more money, I want to box, I want more money, etc... Which one are you referring to?

Bottomline is he refused to defend his title on CBS. That's not living up to his end. It's also a horrible decision too as it would have been great exposure for him as Kimbo and Gina are going to bring in a lot viewers. Someone should have explained future earning potential to him. But as it stands now, he's stripped of the belt and is still under the same contract and owes them 2 fights and doesn't get nationwide exposure on CBS. So how exactly was this a good move for his career?

If i could make a suggestion...read this whole article before you comment..... http://www.mmaforum.com/elitexc-stri...j-cryfest.html .. after reading this look at your last post...... my next advice would be read the whole thread before you comment......the answers to your questions are already posted.....

shogun..you represent the average mma fan..........you know not what you speak of...talkin about Gina and Kimbo...hey Kimbo's good to you isnt he???
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If i could make a suggestion...read this whole article before you comment..... http://www.mmaforum.com/elitexc-stri...j-cryfest.html .. after reading this look at your last post...... my next advice would be read the whole thread before you comment......the answers to your questions are already posted.....

shogun..you represent the average mma fan..........you know not what you speak of...talkin about Gina and Kimbo...hey Kimbo's good to you isnt he???
I've read the cryfest already, my point was KJ's excuses change every minute. In the end, he's come out as the loser in this.

I don't think you understood me when I referred to Gina and Kimbo. I'm talking about their drawing power, not their MMA skills.

Let me explain it simply to you like I would for a 6 year old:

People know Kimbo and Gina, millions of people tune in to CBS to watch those two fight. Kimbo and Gina make big money. Kimbo and Gina not on CBS? No one watches EXC on CBS.

People do not know KJ, not many people will tune in just to see KJ fight, thus KJ does not make a lot of money.

KJ appears on card with two popular people (Kimbo and Gina), KJ gets more well known, KJ could make money later.

Simple eh?
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I've read the cryfest already, my point was KJ's excuses change every minute. In the end, he's come out as the loser in this.

I don't think you understood me when I referred to Gina and Kimbo. I'm talking about their drawing power, not their MMA skills.

Let me explain it simply to you like I would for a 6 year old:

People know Kimbo and Gina, millions of people tune in to CBS to watch those two fight. Kimbo and Gina make big money. Kimbo and Gina not on CBS? No one watches EXC on CBS.

People do not know KJ, not many people will tune in just to see KJ fight, thus KJ does not make a lot of money.

KJ appears on card with two popular people (Kimbo and Gina), KJ gets more well known, KJ could make money later.

Simple eh?
Simple eh?? No not really.......so I'll break it down on your 6yr old level....kJ's "excuses" as you call them have never changed.......so your wrong......


second....I totally understood you were refereing to their drawing power.....my point is that they are not a draw unless you are asily entertaind....like yourself.....



third...learn what the term contract really stands for.....it stands for what was promised to him already that hasnt been met....surely some as smart as you can understand what a contract means....or are you really blinded by XC bullshit????????
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