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Old 10-03-2008, 02:49 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I'll give you Nick Thompson. Silva is out for at least a year for steroids.
Silvas direct next test came up clean, so they're makin there case to the athletic commision. He hasn't been stripped yet. We'll have to see what happens.

And yes Nick Thompson is that good.

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Feijao, Camoes, Heun, Oshiro, and Diabate would be nontelevised or prelim fighters at best in the UFC or Affliction.
Don't even try with the Affliction role. They use alot of fighters from outside orgs.

Mike Pyle from EliteXC just fought and won on their main card. And he's a fighter that I didn't even mention.

As for the others that I mentioned they'd fair well in the UFC. You're simply bashing EliteXC for your own personal reasons. It's written all over your posts.

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Derosario is good, but is definitely a few years away from being top level
Sure bud, says you. And if Brock Lesnar signed with EliteXC instead of the UFC you'd be callin him a fraud too. Simply put, you grasp at anything to make a case in why you think EliteXC sucks.

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I'm not as convinced about Suganuma, but at the very least he's years away as well.
At the very least? You surley think highly of your opinion don't you?

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Daley is overrated and will get exposed by anyone with a ground game
Daley is well received. I wouldn't call him overrated. As a matter of fact I haven't heard one person on this forum call him a top fiver or that he'd kill GSP. He's just well liked because he knocks dudes out. He hits hard. As for his ground game, that is where he's an unknown quantity at this moment. I think Sheilds will sub him.

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As far as Ninja Rua, he's probably one of the most overrated fighters in history. Anytime he's stepped up in class, he's lost. The company is simply weak as far as talent
Ninja beat the hell out of Rampage Jackson. He was robbed of the decision. Even Rampage said that Ninja kicked his ass. Anyone who saw that fight saw Ninja kick his ass all over that ring. And Ninja is far from what you claim him to be.

Talent wise your wrong again, alot of promising young talent in EliteXC. You're just not a fan of the org, so you do your best to heckle when you find a good chance. Which by the way is an unlikable quality in your posts.


As far as Ninja Rua, he's probably one of the most overrated fighters in history. Anytime he's stepped up in class, he's lost. The company is simply weak as far as talent.[/quote]
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Old 10-03-2008, 03:43 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Good to see more canadian talent getting there shot.

I think they should try to grab nick hinchliffe, hes kotc canadas former lhw champ. and is a totall beast.

elite xc's talent pool is growing pretty rapidly
I like how they are starting to create stars, not buy them like affliction does
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Old 10-03-2008, 06:36 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Sherk was basically in the same boat. He had to sit out for 9 months.


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Don't even try with the Affliction role. They use alot of fighters from outside orgs.

Mike Pyle from EliteXC just fought and won on their main card. And he's a fighter that I didn't even mention.

As for the others that I mentioned they'd fair well in the UFC. You're simply bashing EliteXC for your own personal reasons. It's written all over your posts.



Sure bud, says you. And if Brock Lesnar signed with EliteXC instead of the UFC you'd be callin him a fraud too. Simply put, you grasp at anything to make a case in why you think EliteXC sucks.



At the very least? You surley think highly of your opinion don't you?
[/quote] I'm not saying that Elite XC doesn't have some possible future talent. There is no real way to know for sure. Most of the fighters you mention are untested, and while they have some talent there is no guarantee they will measure up. There have been plenty of fighters from the UFC that were supposed to be great but never panned out.

As far as being a few years out being my opinion. I don't think you truly believe that Del Rosario will really be ready for top 10 competition in the next year? Fighters take time to work their way up. Take a guy from the UFC like Maia. He has a lot of potential, but he won't be thrown in with Silva anytime soon. The UFC will give fights against a mid-carder, then a gatekeeper, and then possibly a contender. He needs time just as Del Rosario and Suganuma do. I don't hate Elite XC. I think we both can agree they have mismanaged their company. I think they have the #2 welterweight in the world, and I have heard people say that Daley is the top guy and will destroy Shields. Elite XC can become a good company. They need to reject the sideshow of Kimbo and use what they have available to them in cross-promotions with Strikforce and Affliction. Thomson vs Diaz, Alvarez vs Melendez (or switch those 2), Lawler vs Lindland/Misaki/Le, and if he can fight again Silva vs any of the many heavyweights from Affliction. Also they need to bring in some guys to challenge their top guys. If Elite XC played their cards right they could have access to the best roster of LWs: Alvarez, Diaz, Thomson, Thompson, Melendez, and the possiblity of Hansen. I think the company has potential, but can they survive long enough to see the fruition of that potential. They are hemorrhaging money and need some success right now. As far as Rua, 1 fight that he "should" have been given the decision doesn't change the fact that he doesn't have another quality win on his record. All the other times he fought top talent he lost.
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[quote]Sherk was basically in the same boat. He had to sit out for 9 months.


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I'm not saying that Elite XC doesn't have some possible future talent. There is no real way to know for sure. Most of the fighters you mention are untested, and while they have some talent there is no guarantee they will measure up. There have been plenty of fighters from the UFC that were supposed to be great but never panned out.

As far as being a few years out being my opinion. I don't think you truly believe that Del Rosario will really be ready for top 10 competition in the next year? Fighters take time to work their way up. Take a guy from the UFC like Maia. He has a lot of potential, but he won't be thrown in with Silva anytime soon. The UFC will give fights against a mid-carder, then a gatekeeper, and then possibly a contender. He needs time just as Del Rosario and Suganuma do. I don't hate Elite XC. I think we both can agree they have mismanaged their company. I think they have the #2 welterweight in the world, and I have heard people say that Daley is the top guy and will destroy Shields. Elite XC can become a good company. They need to reject the sideshow of Kimbo and use what they have available to them in cross-promotions with Strikforce and Affliction. Thomson vs Diaz, Alvarez vs Melendez (or switch those 2), Lawler vs Lindland/Misaki/Le, and if he can fight again Silva vs any of the many heavyweights from Affliction. Also they need to bring in some guys to challenge their top guys. If Elite XC played their cards right they could have access to the best roster of LWs: Alvarez, Diaz, Thomson, Thompson, Melendez, and the possiblity of Hansen. I think the company has potential, but can they survive long enough to see the fruition of that potential. They are hemorrhaging money and need some success right now. As far as Rua, 1 fight that he "should" have been given the decision doesn't change the fact that he doesn't have another quality win on his record. All the other times he fought top talent he lost
Now ya know rocky, I won't dispute the majority of these points you make because for the most part they're valid. In the post above that is. It seems as if you're not bashin this particular org as I remember is a favored past time of yours.

I think Ninja though, he'll arise. He seems to have not found his niche, though he has the tools necessary. Radach is a tough dude but I still see Ninja stickin it to him. Huen on the other hand needs a step up in comp. I'd like to see him fight Douglas, Yves Edwards, or Noons.

You take guys like the UFCs Cain Velasquez or Shane Carwin or even Brock Lesnar, they have a couple of victories and they're automatically in the mix. I find the contradiction of sorts, not always from you, (though Sometimes) quite funny.

EliteXC will not go out of buisness. They may be bought. Much like the UFC when they went through financial difficulty. But they won't go out of buisness. I'll bet we see this banner for years to come.
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Now ya know rocky, I won't dispute the majority of these points you make because for the most part they're valid. In the post above that is. It seems as if you're not bashin this particular org as I remember is a favored past time of yours.

I think Ninja though, he'll arise. He seems to have not found his niche, though he has the tools necessary. Radach is a tough dude but I still see Ninja stickin it to him. Huen on the other hand needs a step up in comp. I'd like to see him fight Douglas, Yves Edwards, or Noons.

You take guys like the UFCs Cain Velasquez or Shane Carwin or even Brock Lesnar, they have a couple of victories and they're automatically in the mix. I find the contradiction of sorts, not always from you, (though Sometimes) quite funny.

EliteXC will not go out of buisness. They may be bought. Much like the UFC when they went through financial difficulty. But they won't go out of buisness. I'll bet we see this banner for years to come.
Do you still believe in Ninja after tonight? Also do you still think Elite XC will stay afloat or even draw a good buying price now that Kimbo has been exposed.
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Do you still believe in Ninja after tonight? Also do you still think Elite XC will stay afloat or even draw a good buying price now that Kimbo has been exposed.
exposed.... I think the other kid got a lucky punch, I unlike most of these people on this forum actually think kimbo is a good fighter, so I wouldn't say exposed. Kimbo is 3-1 now? when Lesnar is 2-1 and getting a title shot? Not putting Lesnar down or anything, just giving an example. Also since I actually went to the event, it was pretty amazing, only like 1 bout that wasn't up to par, the rest 9 fights was awesome, really enjoyed going to the event.
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Do you still believe in Ninja after tonight? Also do you still think Elite XC will stay afloat or even draw a good buying price now that Kimbo has been exposed.
As a matter of fact I have no doubt about it. You seem to not understand that this is only CBS's 3rd EXC show. Where have you seen the shows before this? It was showtime bud. And It was before Kimbo too.

And Kimbo was rattled in his prefight interview. Seems as if he wasn't protected by the new managment, as we all well knew was a scenerio Kimbo might face.

With Alvarez, Lawler, Diaz, Carano, Cyborg, Huen, F.Shamrock, and the rest.......why wouldn't they draw a good price?
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First of all a lucky punch? It was a freaking jab. If he can't take a jab from a second rate fighter than I would say Kimbo was exposed. JP I noticed that you ignored the Ninja question. Also I know that the fighters you mentioned are big in the eyes of most hardcore fans. However do you think CBS gets that? For that matter do you think that CBS understands anything about mma? I don't think that they will be on CBS again. I think that Elite XC should go the route of Strikeforce if they want to survive. Forget the circus atmosphere and appeal to the knowledgeable mma fan. I don't know if it will work since they are so far in the whole monetarily.
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