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post #41 of 55 (permalink) Old 10-05-2008, 02:13 AM
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I have to say I was thinking before tonight that Shields was a top WW. He has amazing BJJ, but I was disappointed in how terrible his striking looked. I didn't expect him to look good against Daley, but he looked completely outclassed. I know think that he would have some problem against some of the more well-rounded welter weights. I think tonight just showed how much Shields needs to improve.
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After this fight, just try and picture Sheilds up against GSP, Fitch, Koscheck or Alves. It would be brutal.
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I love the way Jake fights (on the ground). For me it's really enjoyable to watch.
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I love the way Jake fights (on the ground). For me it's really enjoyable to watch.
Enjoyable yes.
Good enough to beat the UFC elite no.
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shields is probably top 10...but not top 5 at all....

gsp, kos, fitch, alves, diego, karo would all beat him .....gsp and alves would probably stop him
Just a question and I'm honestly wondering since when did who we think will beat who is the basis of rankings.

Shields has beaten Condit, Okami, Verissimo, Pyle, Thompson, and Daley. Since 06

Karo only has wins over Thompson, Fickett, Burkman, and Chonan since 06 and losses to Diego and Thiago

Thiago Alves has wins over Karo, Hughes(When he missed weight), Alessio and Lytle and a loss to Fitch.

Diego has wins over Alessio, Karo,Riggs, and Luigi. He lost to Fitch and Kos

Kos has a win over Diego and Lytle and a loss to GSP.

Fitch beat Burkman, Alves, Luigi, and Diego and lost to GSP.

I would put him ahead of Karo no doubt, Thiago can't make weight so until he does I can't put him in the top 3, Diego hasn't had a big win since he lost although I think he is very good I can't rank him to high, Koscheck hasn't proven himself that much. Now Fitch and Shields IMO are 2A and 2B.

IDK why you guys can't see why Shields is so good his ground game is really good and while his striking isn't good it's honestly not dreadful.

Plus his takedowns are pretty good Shields was able to get Okami to the ground.
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Just a question and I'm honestly wondering since when did who we think will beat who is the basis of rankings.
They don't but lets look at something.

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Shields has beaten Condit, Okami, Verissimo, Pyle, Thompson, and Daley. Since 06
The win over Condit only looks good because of what Condit has become after he fought Shields. Okami wasn't a top 10 guy either at the time. Verissimo and Pyle while good, imo on'y second tier guys. Thompson is a good win and not to sure Daley is a good win since Shields was such a huge favorite (our odds did not reflect vegas odds).

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Karo only has wins over Thompson, Fickett, Burkman, and Chonan since 06 and losses to Diego and Thiago
Two guys being picked to beat Shields Karo has lost to.

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Thiago Alves has wins over Karo, Hughes(When he missed weight), Alessio and Lytle and a loss to Fitch.
Beat two guys that some have picked to beat Shields and lost to one who people have picked to beat Shields.

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Diego has wins over Alessio, Karo,Riggs, and Luigi. He lost to Fitch and Kos

one win over a guy and two losses

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Kos has a win over Diego and Lytle and a loss to GSP.
One win one loss

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Fitch beat Burkman, Alves, Luigi, and Diego and lost to GSP.
2 wins one loss

The WW's in the UFC have a harder time maintaining their ranking because they are fighting each other. Where as Shields is fighting lesser competition and is able to rack up wins and move up the rankings based on this.

I'm not saying he isn't a top 10 WW but based on skill he is at the lower end of the top 10. But based soley on record then he is near the top.
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Well that's fine MLS honestly by skill I think the WW rankings would change a lot because I think Diego is a lot better then some of the guys ahead of him but because of some of the stuff that went on before his Koscheck fight and his Split decison with Fitch he is lower in the rankings.

Then if Alves could actually make 170 he would be a lot higher In my rankings 2.

But since I have always thought rankings are done on performance not assumed skill I think Shields be performance is top 5 guranteed. And I have him performance wise at 2 or 3.
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Well that's fine MLS honestly by skill I think the WW rankings would change a lot because I think Diego is a lot better then some of the guys ahead of him but because of some of the stuff that went on before his Koscheck fight and his Split decison with Fitch he is lower in the rankings.

Then if Alves could actually make 170 he would be a lot higher In my rankings 2.

But since I have always thought rankings are done on performance not assumed skill I think Shields be performance is top 5 guranteed. And I have him performance wise at 2 or 3.
Alves solidifies his spot as #2 if he beats diego.
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If he makes 170 and beats Diego I agree but those are not gurantees.
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If he makes 170 and beats Diego I agree but those are not gurantees.
if he makes weight I don't see Diego having much of a chance.

I highly doubt he'll miss weight.
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