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Nice break down, what about his gas tank? He isn't going to last 3 rounds at the pace he sets in the 1st.
No, I don't think that testing Kimbo on the gas tank is a good idea because the longer you give him to hurt you, the worse off you are going to be. Unless the fighter is by far the more technical striker, and is going to spend the fight moving and countering effectively (as well as attacking that serious flat-footedness problem that Kimbo has) I don't think that it's a good plan.

If it was Mark Hunt, that would be a different story. Obviously, Kimbo would never knock him out, so it would be good for him to work Kimbo on his tank, but I don't think that Kimbo would last more than a round with Hunt anyway.



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post #23 of 34 (permalink) Old 09-30-2008, 10:10 AM
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Anytime, man. I've been watching Kimbo fight for a while and these holes are pretty consistent. I wish I could say they weren't, because the guy gets alot of hype, but that's the reality of it.
It appears that you are not watching Kimbo for the sport but to only pick him apart, Can you do any better?
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It appears that you are not watching Kimbo for the sport but to only pick him apart, Can you do any better?
He actually seemed to point out some pretty major flaws. What would constitute better? Kimbo can't move his left arm?


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It appears you have put alot of thought into this, do you not like Kimbo? How can you say someone is not a true fighter, what and who are you basing your opinions on? It appears people are against Kimbo for some unknown reason. The man did not start fighting to be a star, only to feed himself and his family. It sounds as if you and everyone else is jealous of him and the light that is being shined on him. Kimbo should be credited with bringing fans into the fold of the MMA. I did not know about this sport until I read an article on Kimbo. I am not a fan of the sport but a fan of Kimbo's. I am curious as to what you think about Rampage Jackson, think he is getting to much attention? As the saying goes Ironman, "Don't hate the player, hate the game". Why don't you fight Kimbo and put your strategy into action.
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It appears you have put alot of thought into this, do you not like Kimbo? How can you say someone is not a true fighter, what and who are you basing your opinions on? It appears people are against Kimbo for some unknown reason. The man did not start fighting to be a star, only to feed himself and his family. It sounds as if you and everyone else is jealous of him and the light that is being shined on him. Kimbo should be credited with bringing fans into the fold of the MMA. I did not know about this sport until I read an article on Kimbo. I am not a fan of the sport but a fan of Kimbo's. I am curious as to what you think about Rampage Jackson, think he is getting to much attention? As the saying goes Ironman, "Don't hate the player, hate the game". Why don't you fight Kimbo and put your strategy into action.
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It appears you have put alot of thought into this, do you not like Kimbo? How can you say someone is not a true fighter, what and who are you basing your opinions on? It appears people are against Kimbo for some unknown reason. The man did not start fighting to be a star, only to feed himself and his family. It sounds as if you and everyone else is jealous of him and the light that is being shined on him. Kimbo should be credited with bringing fans into the fold of the MMA.
He called him illegitimate. It's true. He has not earned his fame by performing excellently and beating top opponents, he earned it by looking tough and being marketed well. That's not hate, it's fact.

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I did not know about this sport until I read an article on Kimbo. I am not a fan of the sport but a fan of Kimbo's.
This explains a lot.

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I am curious as to what you think about Rampage Jackson, think he is getting to much attention? As the saying goes Ironman, "Don't hate the player, hate the game". Why don't you fight Kimbo and put your strategy into action.
Jackson has been fighting MMA in the big leagues of Pride, WFA, and UFC for nearly 10 years. He's fought some of the best in the world- I'd list names, but I don't think they'd mean a lot to you. Let it suffice to say that he has fought the Michael Jordans, Barry Bonds, and John Elways of MMA. Many of his opponents were in the top 5 in the world in their weight class when he fought them.

For comparison, Kimbo has NEVER YET fought a guy who was even currently ranked in the sport, not even top 20 in their weightclass. No joke.

I'm sure Ironman will break this down for you even further, but one thing I can tell you: your beliefs are a product of your lack of knowledge about the sport and the fighters, nothing more.

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He actually seemed to point out some pretty major flaws. What would constitute better? Kimbo can't move his left arm?
Thanks for that, man.

Kimbo can move his left arm, and it's not as though he's missing half his chest (like Tra Telligman).

Raven, glad a pro-Kimbo person posted. Let's pick the post apart really quick.


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It appears you have put alot of thought into this, do you not like Kimbo?
I have no problem with Kimbo. He seems like a pretty personable guy, and he's very humble.

He's just not a very good fighter.


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How can you say someone is not a true fighter, what and who are you basing your opinions on?
If I ever use the phrase "true fighter" I hope someone will tell me off for it.

The difference is not between who is and is not a fighter. If you step in the cage or the ring, you are a fighter.

That doesn't mean he's a good fighter.


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It appears people are against Kimbo for some unknown reason. The man did not start fighting to be a star, only to feed himself and his family.
Again. I'm not hating on Kimbo's reason for fighting. I have no problem with what he does.

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It sounds as if you and everyone else is jealous of him and the light that is being shined on him.
I'm not jealous. He gets alot of attention that he doesn't deserve, and all I'm trying to do is point out why he doesn't deserve it.

I've done the same thing to Brock Lesnar.

It's not to hate on these guys, it's to point out the areas where they need work. The idea is to push the sport. Clearly you aren't getting the difference between my analysis and my feelings. (frankly, I think this is one of my more objective articles)


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Kimbo should be credited with bringing fans into the fold of the MMA.
I have no problem crediting Kimbo with bringing fans to the sport. I'll even say it my self:

Kimbo brought a lot of fans to MMA.

Does that mean he is a good fighter? Absolutely not.

Does that mean his fans can ignore his technical deficiency? Hell no.


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I did not know about this sport until I read an article on Kimbo. I am not a fan of the sport but a fan of Kimbo's.
Glad you acknowledge the difference at least.

You're entitled to your opinion, but if you are diluted enough to believe that Kimbo is a top 10, top 20 or even top 50 fighter, then you need to expose yourself to more of the sport.


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I am curious as to what you think about Rampage Jackson, think he is getting to much attention?
This is a retarded analogy.

Rampage is a fighter who worked his fighter through the ranks, has 35 professional fights (including wars with some of the best fighters in the sport), and has spent years honing his technical skills.

The only similarity between Kimbo is that they are big and black.


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As the saying goes Ironman, "Don't hate the player, hate the game".
I don't hate anybody. I just pointed out the obvious, and you got defensive.

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Why don't you fight Kimbo and put your strategy into action.
Sure. There's about a 90 pound weight difference, but (as the long time mod of the Fighting and Training techniques section) I'm not new to the sport.

I'm fairly confident that I could tap Kimbo in a submission grappling match.

Still, there are guys I train with that are Kimbo's size that would destroy him (of course, Xande, who's a friend of mine, would put on a clinic), and I'd love to see those fights happen. Unfortunately, they're all under 40, so I don't see Kimbo taking those fights.



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id be tempted to put my money on ironman actually
Yeah, the odds would be good. Especially if Kimbo had to cut down to 155 to fight me. Then I'd be in really good shape.

Maybe Kimbo could take up grappling. I'd love to do an open-weight super-fight at NAGA or something.

Then I could start my own youtube channel and get millions of views and make theoretical money!



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Anytime, man. I've been watching Kimbo fight for a while and these holes are pretty consistent. I wish I could say they weren't, because the guy gets alot of hype, but that's the reality of it.
I agree; having a famous face is both a blessing and a curse for the sport. It helps to bolster poularity, but it can be negative if the famous is somewhat of a sham.


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