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Old 10-06-2008, 04:56 PM   #21 (permalink)
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K, you say his boxing skill isn't good, I have to disagree I think his boxing is fine and he is training wit Bas. Hes ground game sucks, true I agree with that comment 100% but lets look at Brock Lesnar his good at wrestling but no submissions whatsoever( Vs Herring ) but people seem not to care about that? So most mma fans dislike Kimbo because EliteXC is promoting him like crazy because he draws in the people? Then the fans should hate the company and not the fighter, because at the end of the day its the company that does the promoting, and not the fighter.
Kimbo's boxing is terrible. I have more boxing skill than Kimbo. He has no professional or amateur experience. He throws wide haymakers that leaves him easily open to counters. His technique is terrible, and it is easy to tell that he has no formal boxing training. I know that you didn't bring up the Kimbo vs Brock argument. Brock would destroy Kimbo. He has better wrestling, more power in his punches, and his striking might even be better.


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From what I just read in ur statement, EliteXC hasn't put anyone decent against Kimbo, and people think his good. Then shouldn't the people hate on EliteXC for choosing the opponents and not Kimbo, he is just a fighter. As Kimbo said he will fighter ANYONE at ANYTIME, so I don't think he should be the person to be blamed. Now the luck issue, bro this seth guy was a no namer atleast my opinion, when I heard the silverback I was like who the f--- is that. He had nothing to lose because the UFC already dismissed him. When he had the chance to fight Kimbo and is able to give Kimbo his first loss ever, he looked at it like a given 1 out of a lifetime chance, knew if he won he will be famous. the last comment you said if they fight again Kimbo will lose.. So does that mean if Kimbo won this fight against Seth then u would've been respecting him by now and not saying he will lose again?
Kimbo will fight anyone anywhere? Really then why did Elite XC have to pay him an extra $50,000 to fight petruzelli? He refused the fight at first. Seth did have something to lose, self-respect. How could he respect himself as a fighter after losing to a talentless fighter like Kimbo? I don't think Silverback will be famous. As soon as he fights a mid level talent, he'll lose. Frank Shamrock even said he expected Kimbo to lose this fight. It wasn't a shock to all of us that know that Kimbo's game has more holes than Swiss cheese.






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So being 1 dimenional he shouldn't be a Mixed Martial Artist? Not hating on Matt Hughes but he is only good on the ground, so ur comment applies to Hughes as well? and Sherk who is also only good on the ground and he can't even submit his opponent and again just using examples due to ur comment.
Both Matt Hughes and Sean Sherk have better stand up skills than Kimbo. They use their striking to take fights to the gound, but they do have good technical striking.



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Andy wang... that must be a joke, but anways lets get to the point, so u use Houston as an example, that is fine except Houston actually fighting big names like Wand... and Houston lost like 3 times in a row? still hasn't learned his lesson? Idiot he is. Kimbo just lost his first MMA fight, so he just learning from this mistake and to me atleast Seth is a no namer, so Kimbo didn't think much of him and thought he was gonna be scared during the fight. Kimbo was wrong and took Seth lightly, and Seth just took him out within 14seconds now if the fight went into the 2nd round and Seth TKO'd Kimbo then I will say Seth won it and it wasn't by luck.
This is all my opinion and how I look on this issue.
First I'm not completely convinced that Wang couldn't take Kimbo. Wang is a BJJ blackbelt. It would be close but I think Wang could catch him in a submission. I do agree with Dana White that BJ Penn would submit Kimbo. Oh and Kimbo agreed on mma live. Kimbo was the one who was scared to take the fight. He had to be given a lot more money to agree to the fight, so I don't think he took him lightly. If he think Kimbo is redeemable as a fighter, could you name one fighter at HW or LHW that has descent skills that Kimbo could beat? It's not just fans that think Kimbo is a bum by the way: http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns
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Old 10-06-2008, 05:12 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Just because he lost, and he loses fans.. then those fans are just bandwagoner's. I still like Kimbo, from his Internet fights to his MMA fights. He is a good fighter, he lost that fight because the other guy got lucky and had nothing to lose.
you're aware that Seth has a more distinguished career and was a higher ranked heavyweight prior to the fight right?

Seth had places to drop in the heavyweight rankings. he didn't get lucky he picked apart kimbo's brawling style the way any decent striker will. Kimbo practically knocked himself out.

all kimbo does is box. There's a reason he doesn't do it professionally. He sucks at it. Hell he wouldn't even do well as an amateur boxer...
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Old 10-06-2008, 07:21 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Kimbo's boxing is terrible. I have more boxing skill than Kimbo. He has no professional or amateur experience. He throws wide haymakers that leaves him easily open to counters. His technique is terrible, and it is easy to tell that he has no formal boxing training. I know that you didn't bring up the Kimbo vs Brock argument. Brock would destroy Kimbo. He has better wrestling, more power in his punches, and his striking might even be better.



Kimbo will fight anyone anywhere? Really then why did Elite XC have to pay him an extra $50,000 to fight petruzelli? He refused the fight at first. Seth did have something to lose, self-respect. How could he respect himself as a fighter after losing to a talentless fighter like Kimbo? I don't think Silverback will be famous. As soon as he fights a mid level talent, he'll lose. Frank Shamrock even said he expected Kimbo to lose this fight. It wasn't a shock to all of us that know that Kimbo's game has more holes than Swiss cheese.






Both Matt Hughes and Sean Sherk have better stand up skills than Kimbo. They use their striking to take fights to the gound, but they do have good technical striking.




First I'm not completely convinced that Wang couldn't take Kimbo. Wang is a BJJ blackbelt. It would be close but I think Wang could catch him in a submission. I do agree with Dana White that BJ Penn would submit Kimbo. Oh and Kimbo agreed on mma live. Kimbo was the one who was scared to take the fight. He had to be given a lot more money to agree to the fight, so I don't think he took him lightly. If he think Kimbo is redeemable as a fighter, could you name one fighter at HW or LHW that has descent skills that Kimbo could beat? It's not just fans that think Kimbo is a bum by the way: http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns
On the boxing issue, we have different opinions, and on the striking power that is the same.
I'm just stating what Kimbo said when he said he will fight ANYONE at ANYTIME. No I didn't know they offered Kimbo 50k more, and the self-respect part.. why bother to fight someone if by winning ur not gaining anything from it?
The comparison on Hughes Sherk Vs Kimbo striking is also opinions. On TUF Wang seems like he doesn't go with his game plan which is taking it to the ground, so I strongly doubt he will win vs Kimbo, again its opinions here. Kimbo wasn't suppose to fight Seth, he prolly just wanted some more cash from it, and they offered 50k more.(My guess) Bj Penn is a beast, a champion.. lol pointless discussion there because they aren't in the same division. When I say his a good fighter that don't mean anything like top 10 or anything like that. He is a good fighter with a great future in this career imo. Also the Yahoo link... man... Journalist.. Look at O'reily trying to make the MMA sport look like crap by talking shit about the UFC, and the fighting.. their talk is just another opinion, that means nothing to me. at the end, bro we have different opinions and I appreciate u expressing the way u think, I'm just giving Kimbo a benefit of a doubt that in the future he will be able to become one of the best, as long as he trains hard.

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you're aware that Seth has a more distinguished career and was a higher ranked heavyweight prior to the fight right?

Seth had places to drop in the heavyweight rankings. he didn't get lucky he picked apart kimbo's brawling style the way any decent striker will. Kimbo practically knocked himself out.

all kimbo does is box. There's a reason he doesn't do it professionally. He sucks at it. Hell he wouldn't even do well as an amateur boxer...
No I didn't know that, He was suppose to fight in a LHW bout that night, and being in the pre-limerys thought that ment he wasn't a big name. We all have different opinions.
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Old 10-06-2008, 07:27 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I doubt the hype train is done, though I'm sure it'll slow down. People will always be ready to eat whatever they're spoon fed.
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Old 10-06-2008, 07:48 PM   #25 (permalink)
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On the boxing issue, we have different opinions, and on the striking power that is the same.
I'm just stating what Kimbo said when he said he will fight ANYONE at ANYTIME. No I didn't know they offered Kimbo 50k more, and the self-respect part.. why bother to fight someone if by winning ur not gaining anything from it?
The comparison on Hughes Sherk Vs Kimbo striking is also opinions. On TUF Wang seems like he doesn't go with his game plan which is taking it to the ground, so I strongly doubt he will win vs Kimbo, again its opinions here. Kimbo wasn't suppose to fight Seth, he prolly just wanted some more cash from it, and they offered 50k more.(My guess) Bj Penn is a beast, a champion.. lol pointless discussion there because they aren't in the same division. When I say his a good fighter that don't mean anything like top 10 or anything like that. He is a good fighter with a great future in this career imo. Also the Yahoo link... man... Journalist.. Look at O'reily trying to make the MMA sport look like crap by talking shit about the UFC, and the fighting.. their talk is just another opinion, that means nothing to me. at the end, bro we have different opinions and I appreciate u expressing the way u think, I'm just giving Kimbo a benefit of a doubt that in the future he will be able to become one of the best, as long as he trains hard.



No I didn't know that, He was suppose to fight in a LHW bout that night, and being in the pre-limerys thought that ment he wasn't a big name. We all have different opinions.
that's not really a matter of opinion.

Kimbo leads with his chin and drops his left hand.

Bas Rutten said that Kimbo JUST learned to breath while punching prior to this fight. That's the stuff you learn first. I mean we're talking day one stuff here.
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that's not really a matter of opinion.

Kimbo leads with his chin and drops his left hand.

Bas Rutten said that Kimbo JUST learned to breath while punching prior to this fight. That's the stuff you learn first. I mean we're talking day one stuff here.
Exactly... if he just learned to breath as he's punching since his fight against thompson, he should just go to WWE where he can make good money and still have that scary persona...

I used Andy Wang as an example for someone beating kimbo because I know Andy is a douche and should go for takedowns, but I honestly think he could outstrike Kimbo...
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He has not put on one entertaining fight yet. His fights have been the equivalent of a one legged man in an ass kicking contest. A complete joke. He may have a better chance against a light weight.....or maybe not...go fight some more homeless crack heads on you tube
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Dana white was not joking about BJ Penn being able to beat Kimbo.
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i hope the hype is dead...he is not a mma fighter he is just some youtube street brawler who got lucky
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Old 10-07-2008, 02:22 AM   #30 (permalink)
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After the fight was over, the commentators were making it sound like Kimbo has been the dominant champ for years, and Seth was a huge underdog, I think if they fough again Seth would win again
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