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Old 10-07-2008, 12:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Jarad Shaw: "we had even offered fans their money back"

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Immediately following the post-fight press conference for EliteXC and CBSí Saturday Night Fights this past weekend in Sunrise, Florida, I was able to catch up with EliteXC Vice President Jared Shaw to discuss a number of pressing topics coming out of the fight card.
During the course of the interview, Shaw addressed his reaction towards referee Troy Waugh following the stoppage of the Kimbo Slice vs. Seth Petruzelli main event; the process in which a replacement was chosen and if canceling the event was ever under consideration; his feelings about Ken Shamrock being medically disqualified; and more.
Sam Caplan: At what point were you alerted that there might be a problem with the main event?
Jared Shaw: Itís tough for me to say. I got a call, I want to say, around 4:30 or 5:30, that there may be a problem. I ran down (to the arena) and found out that Shamrock had hurt himself. We had waited for him to come here because we didnít know. Kenís a gamer ó a showman and a fighter ó so we didnít know. It could have been psychological warfare against Kimbo. He could think that we would tell him thereís no fight and then he would show up with no laceration. Or, how bad was it? Could we pull this fight off? We definitely wanted this fight to go.
We had a meeting with him when he arrived and we then right back with him to his dressing room. The commission looked at him and he had a laceration and they werenít going to let the fight go. And thatís honestly where it stopped. He wanted to fight but his private doctor didnít want him to fight. (The commission) said ďnoĒ and we had to make that move right away to figure out how we were going to save this event.

Sam Caplan: If Seth Petruzelli hadnít taken the fight and if maybe Aaron Rosa hadnít been a viable backup option, would the card had to have been canceled if there was no fight featuring Kimbo?

Jared Shaw: No, we would have went on with the card. We would have offered fans their money back and Iím not positive, but I believe we had even offered fans their money back because the opponent had changed. Not one fan wanted their money back, which shows you what a big sell Kimbo Slice is. But I think we did fine and it was a great card.
Sam Caplan: By getting medically disqualified, does that mean that Ken Shamrock didnít make a single penny from the event?
Jared Shaw: He definitely didnít make a penny. In fact, if there was any idea if there was any foul play involved, he might have lost money.
Sam Caplan: Did at any point did he grandstand in an attempt to get more money?
Jared Shaw: No, he never grandstanded. He wanted to fight. He came in there and he was defeated when (the commission) told him ďno.Ē But for EliteXC, weíd like to believe in Ken and what happened but itís just very eerie on the day of and again, the cut is real, thereís no doubt about it. The laceration was there. But none of us were there so itís tough to say why he was sparring so hard the day of. I asked Tito Ortiz if fighters spar on the day of and he said he goes full that day, which surprised me. So maybe he didnít completely hit his head, or maybe he did? I donít speak to every fighter about their sparring practices the day of (a fight), I just know that boxers donít. Itís interesting to me.
Sam Caplan: When Kimbo was approached about a replacement was their any apprehension on his campís part of were they all over the Petruzelli fight?
Jared Shaw: It wasnít even a concern to anybody. His reaction was like, ďIíve got fans here, Iím not letting them down. Weíve got to do this. Letís figure out how we can make this happen.Ē Obviously, there was a period of initial shock. You know, your fight isnít happening and itís not the same guy. We can show you a quick tape of Petruzelli, but whatís really out there on the YouTubes of the world?
To Kimboís credit, he took the fight. He didnít have to take this fight. He could have sat back and chilled. He could have come back and fought Nov. 8 on SHOWTIME. There possibly could have been another opportunity but it wasnít even discussed. It was never a discussion. He wasnít going to let his fans down.
Sam Caplan: It appeared that after the fight was over that you were in the cage having a heated discussion with the head official. Were you happy with the stoppage?
Jared Shaw: I wasnít necessarily angry, I just want to have the right decisions at all times. From my vantage point it looked like the second punch was to the back of the head, which is a foul. That could hit a fighterís equilibrium and mess them up. And you turn him over and you punch him a couple of times and the ref stops it because thereís no recovery time after that. So I just asked the ref to please look at the video. I asked Thomas Milloy to please look at the video. And Kimboís camp will take their own look at the video. I canít file a protest myself but I think his camp will look at it and decide on their own. I just wanted to make sure the ref saw it from the proper vantage point because I want to make sure we have the right calls at all times.
Sam Caplan: When you saw the replay on the screen, did you still feel the second punch was a foul?
Jared Shaw: I think Seth Petruzelli definitely had a nice, clean first punch butÖ Look, I donít say refs make the wrong calls because the hardest job in the business is that of the referee. Heís got to make that stoppage. Heís got to decide when to break fighters up. And none of us know because none of are in there - unless some of us have reffed - but you donít know what youíre seeing and how quick youíre seeing it. So I never go against a refereeís decision but sometimes decisions are rendered and they might not be the correct call. Not that itís going to get overturned but maybe itís more reason to see a rematch. I donít know. I saw something and I pointed it out. I saw it again and I still feel what I saw is the same thing but itís not up to me.
Sam Caplan: Where does Seth Petruzelli go from here? Heís competed as a heavyweight and heís competed as a light heavyweight. What do you see as his weight class from this point forward?
Jared Shaw: Thatís very interesting. Weíve got to sit down and talk with Seth because heís fought as a heavyweight before moving down to light heavyweight. He had some tough fights in another organization against some of the best fighters in the world. He was going to come back as a light heavyweight against Aaron Rosa but took a shot against a big-time heavyweight and gave up a lot of weight. He obviously showed heís got heavyweight hands; thatís what he showed more than anything. Kimbo Slice is a guy who has been hit bare knuckles many times but has never been dropped from a jab in the way he dropped off of that. To me, Petruzelli has got heavy hands. He could move to light heavyweight and fight (Rafael Feijao) Cavalcante. Thereís anotherÖ
Sam Caplan: (Interrupts) I was going to ask you about that. How about Nov. 8? Is that possible?
Jared Shaw: Definitely not possible. Way too soon. A guy like that deserves a nice rest. He took a big step up today. Heís going to be a star in this sport. People keep asking me if Iím depressed or if this is a tough day for me? This is a great day for EliteXC. We have more stars now. To me, I watch this and you can tell me if Iím wrong but I felt like every loser was a winner tonight. From Ninja Rua, who even though he was knocked out cold, still gave us the most exciting Ninja weíve watched; to Kelly Kobold, who is an absolute warrior with a sponge for a mouth; to Yoko Takahashi who has no quit in her; Roy Nelson was winning that fight, possibly, even, and then got caught. Iím sure he wants another opportunity. For me, it was a win for EliteXC and it was a win for mixed martial arts. Kimbo Slice is still a star like I told you and Seth Petruzelli is now a star. Iím really excited for the future.
Sam Caplan: Is it safe to assume that Petruzelli is already under a long-term contract with EliteXC?
Jared Shaw: Yes, Seth is under a long-term contract. Weíll talk to him about what the future brings. Seth Petruzelli has got some big fights under his belt, Iíll tell you that much.
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Does shaw know anything about mma?
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Shaw can say what he wants, but when was the last time you saw Dana White yelling and screaming at the ref after a fight? Shaw was definitely super pissed when Kimbo got put down, and no, Seth is not a star,Kimbo's just a bum.
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As happy as I was to see kimbo getting put down on Saturday. I got even more pissed off because of the stupid announcers(post fight).
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Shaw can say what he wants, but when was the last time you saw Dana White yelling and screaming at the ref after a fight? Shaw was definitely super pissed when Kimbo got put down, and no, Seth is not a star,Kimbo's just a bum.
Yeah, I never saw Dana carry on like that! He might look upset if one of his big draws loses but he never started screaming at the ref.

As far as Petruzelli being a star....it depends what Elite has planned for him. I can see them giving Seth the Kimbo treatment which is giving him a couple of cans to beat to build his image up. Doing this would help perserve the Kimbo hype because it makes it look like he lost to somebody good. It would also set up for a Petruzelli vs. Kimbo 2 and if they play there cards right it could be a big money maker.

But I also see Elite trying to bury Seth as well. Instead of building him up they'll just try to forget this fight ever happened and make other people forget it as well. Which means they'll feed Kimbo Slice more cans and give Seth tougher opponents. That way Kimbo will look good again and Seth will fade into obscurity after incurring some tough losses.
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As happy as I was to see kimbo getting put down on Saturday. I got even more pissed off because of the stupid announcers(post fight).
What? you reffering to one of the announcers saying this was the biggest upset in MMA history? That Seth Petruzelli was Rocky Balboa! OR this being a mulligan for Kimbo!
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Yeah, I never saw Dana carry on like that! He might look upset if one of his big draws loses but he never started screaming at the ref.

As far as Petruzelli being a star....it depends what Elite has planned for him. I can see them giving Seth the Kimbo treatment which is giving him a couple of cans to beat to build his image up. Doing this would help perserve the Kimbo hype because it makes it look like he lost to somebody good. It would also set up for a Petruzelli vs. Kimbo 2 and if they play there cards right it could be a big money maker.

But I also see Elite trying to bury Seth as well. Instead of building him up they'll just try to forget this fight ever happened and make other people forget it as well. Which means they'll feed Kimbo Slice more cans and give Seth tougher opponents. That way Kimbo will look good again and Seth will fade into obscurity after incurring some tough losses.
Elite XC recently said they have just enough money to make it through the year. After this I don't see them recovering. I wouldn't expect Seth to see another fight on an EXC card.
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Yeah, I never saw Dana carry on like that! He might look upset if one of his big draws loses but he never started screaming at the ref.

As far as Petruzelli being a star....it depends what Elite has planned for him. I can see them giving Seth the Kimbo treatment which is giving him a couple of cans to beat to build his image up. Doing this would help perserve the Kimbo hype because it makes it look like he lost to somebody good. It would also set up for a Petruzelli vs. Kimbo 2 and if they play there cards right it could be a big money maker.

But I also see Elite trying to bury Seth as well. Instead of building him up they'll just try to forget this fight ever happened and make other people forget it as well. Which means they'll feed Kimbo Slice more cans and give Seth tougher opponents. That way Kimbo will look good again and Seth will fade into obscurity after incurring some tough losses.
I think Kimbo needs to destroy Pet in a rematch, and soon, if there is to be any hope for EXC to make money off of hiim.
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What? you reffering to one of the announcers saying this was the biggest upset in MMA history? That Seth Petruzelli was Rocky Balboa! OR this being a mulligan for Kimbo!
I don't think these are direct quotes or anything but I slightly remember here...

"Greatest KO in mma history"

"Petruzelli made history"

That sort of thing. I just hate the way they were trying to keep the kimbo train going. I may very well still be bitter about the kimbo hype, who knows.
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yeah, 14 second fights demand months of months of rehabilitation
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