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Am I the only one? ( Randy/Fedor)

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#1 ·
Am I the only one that thinks Randy would get completely worked over by Fedor if they ever happen to fight? Every time a topic about this fight comes up, it's usually the consensus that Couture poses a significant threat. But the way I see it Fedor is just miles ahead of him. I believe he would overwhelm him with strikes until he gets the sub.

Share your thoughts/predictions.
 
#4 ·
Eh. if a guy like Crocop could take Fedor to decision, I think Randy has a decent chance as well. It's not like Crocop's high kicks are what allowed him to go to decision. Hell, if Coleman could survive to round 2 I am 100% sure Randy could survive at least that long, Randy is better at everything than Coleman.

However, I think Randy would lose. Just not in as devastating a fashion as you predict.
 
#15 ·
Coleman survived to round 2 bc Fedor said (in an interview) that he wanted to feel him out. He said their first fight ended so quickly that he wasnt able to get a good feel for him.

Even so, being the wrestler that coleman is, fedor manhandled him.

Coleman was also something like a 10-1 underdog going into that fight. ridiculous.
 
#6 ·
Damn near everyone has been saying that for a while now, they just don't have as sexy an avatar as you. I'm with Hex, I think Randy will make it an interesting fight. The blind Couture fan in me wants to pick him but I just can't see how he wins.
 
#8 ·
Am I the only one that thinks Randy would get completely worked over by Fedor if they ever happen to fight? Every time a topic about this fight comes up, it's usually the consensus that Couture poses a significant threat. But the way I see it Fedor is just miles ahead of him. I believe he would overwhelm him with strikes until he gets the sub.

Share your thoughts/predictions.
Let me put it to you this way! This is not the first thread to address this issue. I'm sure if do a search you find countless posts on how Fedor will kick Randy's ass. Even on Sherdog you find threads about how Randy doesn't stand a chance, how Hong Man Choi could beat Randy, Randy doesn't deserve to fight Fedor (like that was ever a prerequisite), how it took Randy, 5 rounds to beat Tim while it took Fedor 36 seconds, etc. So no, you are not the only one!
 
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#10 ·
Nope we are just bringing in some new mods and doing some different things because the forum is expanding.

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All of those things need to be handled by mods and there wasn't enough to do it all so new ones had to be added.

Also I'm moving this to the general mma section because it really isn't UFC related.
 
#11 ·
Fedor has destroyed all the top heavyweight he has fought in the last three years like Choi, Lindland, Hunt, Coleman, and Martins. Wait none of those guys are top heavyweights. Well at least he destroyed Tim Sylvia, a guy that PRIDE fans have always said is a top heavyweight and has great skills. Ok so what exactly has Fedor done in the last 3 years to make him the hands down best thing to happen to mma since the arm bar?
 
#22 ·
Well, how about these.

These shows that Fedor defeated top fighters in the world.

World Top Fighters who tasted Fedor's fatality.

Let's start from the latest:


Tim Sylvia
Submission by Rear-naked choke
Affliction - Banned (Honda Center, Anaheim, CA)
07/19/08 0:36 of rd 1

Matt Lindland
Submission by Armbar
Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations (ICE Palace, St. Petersburg, Russia)
04/14/07 2:58 of rd 1

Mark Hunt
Submission by Kimura
PRIDE - Shockwave 2006 (Saitama Super Arena,Saitama, Japan)
12/31/06 8:16 of rd 1

Mark Coleman
Submission by Armbar
PRIDE 32 - The Real Deal (Thomas & Mack Center, Las Vegas, Nevada)
10/21/06 1:15 of rd 2

Wagner da Conceicao Martins
Submission by Punches
PRIDE - Shockwave 2005 (Saitama Super Arena, ,Saitama, Japan)
12/31/05 0:26 of rd 1

Mirko Filipovic
Decision by Unaminous
PRIDE - Final Conflict 2005 (Saitama Super Arena,,Saitama, Japan)
08/28/05 5:00 of rd 3

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Unanimous Decision
PRIDE - Shockwave 2004 (Saitama Super Arena in Saitama, Japan)
12/31/04 5:00 of rd 3

Kevin Randleman
Submission by Kimura
PRIDE - Critical Countdown 2004 (Saitama Super Arena, Japan)
06/20/04 1:33 of rd 1

Mark Coleman
Submission by Armbar
PRIDE - Total Elimination 2004 (Saitama Super Arena,Japan )
04/25/04 2:11 of rd 1

Gary Goodridge
TKO by Strikes
PRIDE - Total Elimination 2003 (Saitama, Japan)
08/10/03 1:09 of rd 1

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Unanimous Decision
PRIDE 25 - Body Blow (Yokohama Arena, Japan)
03/16/03 5:00 of rd 3

Heath Herring
TKO by Cut
PRIDE 23 - Championship Chaos 2 (Tokyo, Japan)
11/24/02 10:00 of rd 1

Renato Sobral
Unanimous Decision
Rings - 10th Anniversary (Ariake Coliseum in Tokyo, Japan)
08/11/01 5:00 of rd 2

Ricardo Arona
Unanimous Decision
Rings - King of Kings 2000 Block B (Osaka Prefecture Gymnasium in Osaka, Japan)
12/22/00 5:00 of rd 3

Most of the fighters listed were former UFC Champions.

Let's just wait and see what will happen when Fedor fights Randy.

I hope Dana White's fetish attitude would let give Fedor a fair contract even just a 1 fight contract exclusive for Randy, that would be great and good to MMA world.
 
#23 ·
Ok of that list:

Hunt was possibly a top SW but that had more to do with the lack of depth in the SW division. FWIW Overem submitted Hunt recently, and he has never beaten anyone in MMA but legendary japanese cans.

Goodridge and Coleman were not that great, ever. Goodridge was just roided up and strong with little skill. Coleman's skills never moved beyond leg shoots, headbutts and knees to the head.

Herring was skilled but questionable when Fedor fought him. He was possibly a top10 HW at the time but honestly he has to many losses, many to bad fighters, both before and after... I dunno how much this win matters.

Only Crocop, Big Nog, and Sylvia were top HW's when he fought them. Lindland, Babalu, Arona were all LHW's or MW's that ended up fighting Fedor due to happy happy weight class funtimes. Counting a win against these guys is kinda meh, none of them accomlished much if anything at HW.

Oh and the Zuluzhino fight was a joke why did you even bring it up unless you didn't see it.
 
#27 · (Edited)
I just want to start this off by saying that i dont hate couture, he is a great fighter and all that.

I may be wrong but i think this is the first time ive posted about what i think would be the outcome of a Fedor/Randy fight...and,

well i think this fight will be more one-sided then what have been suggested. I think Randy have been overly pushed down our throates as an equal to Fedor (not Randys fault btw) not just in skills but in legacy as well. I disagree with both.

I know that putting win /loose statistics isnt "accepted" in these debates but i think in this case it cant be "outcluded" either.
Randy is 16-8, he has wins over the likes of vitor belfort x 2 ( whom he lost once to ) , tito ortiz,randleman, pedro rizzo x 2 , chuck liddell ( whom he lost twice to later), gabriel gonzaga and tim sylvia via decision ( fedor recently finished sylvia 36 seconds into the first round.
After Randy lost twice to liddell at LHW ( he had a win over Arsdale in between ) he got an IMMIDIATE shot at the HW title that he won impressivly over Sylvia. He then won a dominating imo victory over gabriel gonzaga ho had KOed CroCop earlier.

Looking at this record... YES it is impressive, but is it " the worlds best MMA HW " good ? is it anythink there that should implicate that he has a chanse against Fedor ?

Talking about Fedor.....

The guy is undefeated....period. he has one loss via cut wich he revenged by TKOing Koshaka.

other than that... he is undefeated. does he only win over cans ? well lets look :

Ricardo Arona,Renato Sobral, randleman,semmy schilt,heath herring,crocop,coleman,mark hunt,matt lindland,tim sylvia, and lets not forget two imo crushing victories over Nogueira. Fedor is 29-1.....29-1 !!!!! with his one loss coming as earlier explained. i mean looking at this is there really anything to discuss ? is this really a debate ?
I mean saying that randy is debatable no1 in the world at HW is just insane... hell.. imo he isnt even no2, that spot goes to Nogueira.

Also what tools are Randy going to use against fedor ?

Fedor is better in stand up as well as ground game. a world champion in ***** ho sylvia himself said hit him as hard as he never had been before
 
#28 ·
I just want to start this off by saying that i dont hate couture, he is a great fighter and all that.

I may be wrong but i think this is the first time ive posted about what i think would be the outcome of a Fedor/Randy fight...and,

well i think this fight will be more one-sided then what have been suggested. I think Randy have been overly pushed down our throates as an equal to Fedor (not Randys fault btw) not just in skills but in legacy as well. I disagree with both.

I know that putting win /loose statistics isnt "accepted" in these debates but i think in this case it cant be "outcluded" either.
Randy is 16-8, he has wins over the likes of vitor belfort x 2 ( whom he lost once to ) , tito ortiz,randleman, pedro rizzo x 2 , chuck liddell ( whom he lost twice to later), gabriel gonzaga and tim sylvia via decision ( fedor recently finished sylvia 36 seconds into the first round.
After Randy lost twice to liddell at LHW ( he had a win over Arsdale in between ) he got an IMMIDIATE shot at the HW title that he won impressivly over Sylvia. He then won a dominating imo victory over gabriel gonzaga ho had KOed CroCop earlier.

Looking at this record... YES it is impressive, but is it " the worlds best MMA HW " good ? is it anythink there that should implicate that he has a chanse against Fedor ?

Talking about Fedor.....

The guy is undefeated....period. he has one loss via cut wich he revenged by TKOing Koshaka.

other than that... he is undefeated. does he only win over cans ? well lets look :

Ricardo Arona,Renato Sobral, randleman,semmy schilt,heath herring,crocop,coleman,mark hunt,matt lindland,tim sylvia, and lets not forget two imo crushing victories over Nogueira. Fedor is 29-1.....29-1 !!!!! with his one loss coming as earlier explained. i mean looking at this is there really anything to discuss ? is this really a debate ?
I mean saying that randy is debatable no1 in the world at HW is just insane... hell.. imo he isnt even no2, that spot goes to Nogueira.

Also what tools are Randy going to use against fedor ?

Fedor is better in stand up as well as ground game. a world champion in ***** ho sylvia himself said hit him as hard as he never had been before
On a whole I do agree with you. Fedor is definitly a better fighter then Randy but I found the parts that I highlighted to be extremely funny.

You quickly pointed out that Fedor sole loss was due to a cut but he avenged it. But you neglected to mention that Randy's sole loss to Vitor was due to a cut caused by seam of his glove. Also, that Randy made Vitor pay dearly afterwards. Instead you say "whom he lost once to." Now if I was a complete noob I would have assumed that Randy/Vitor 2 was actually a fight worth watching.
 
#29 ·
I think Randy matches up well with Fedor. If he could use Lindlands gameplan to get Fedor down, he could use his great top control and possibly cut Fedor or grind out a decision. I think Fedor would win, but not as easily as some think.
 
#36 ·
Akiyama, Mousasi, Misaki, Jacare, Manhoef (would be fun).
 
#38 ·
Sorry Trigg, Jacare, and Manhoef shouldn't be in the top 10.
Also I'm not really buying Lawler.

The point is that he is willing to fight the guys in the top 5.

Top 3 heavyweight contenders for Fedor IMO


1. Couture
2. NOG
3. Barnett

These guys have been at this point for years.

When he fought Franklin and Henderson he were a consensus #1 contenders.

Marquardt was the next best in the UFC after that.

He is willing to fight now the #1/2 contenders.

Fedor has no plans to fight the top contenders.
 
#40 ·
Sorry Trigg, Jacare, and Manhoef shouldn't be in the top 10.
Also I'm not really buying Lawler.
So them being in the top 10 makes a difference in whether or not they would give Anderson a good fight? It must be since his loses came to guys not in the top 10.
 
#39 ·
The point is he's willing to fight them? Are you actually being serious? Fedor's willing to fight anyone alive.

What shows you Silva has plans to fight top contenders? Have you missed the past week with the talks of his retirement? Fedor has been trying to fight couture, he's beaten nog 2.5 times, he's going to fight arlovski and barnett soon.

The double standards here are ridiculous.
 
#42 ·
Can you honestly say you think Sylvia or Arlovski are the #1 contender at heavyweight? Before Fedor Sylvia had lost 2, and beat a LHW who can't beat Jardine. Arlovski may beat the IFL guys, but who does that impress? Before that lackluster wins over Werdum and O'brien (who was beating him for most of the fight). How does the guy who lost 2/3 to Sylvia stand a better chance by the way?
 
#50 ·
Obviously I did make a legitimate argument, since you can't argue with what I said. The bottom line about Fedor is that he may be able to beat Randy. I do think the fact that he won't fight Randy should be looked at. The only thing that was standing between Fedor vs Randy happening after Randy beat Sylvia was Fedor and his management. If another fighter refused the highest payday of his career to fight the other top guy in his division, wouldn't you say he was dodging him? I think Randy poses some serious problems to Fedor. Most experts agree that the best way to beat Fedor is to take him down and control him on the ground while avoiding his submission attempts. That's Randy's bread and butter. As far as the Randy vs Liddell argument, if you think that the Randy Couture that lost twice to Liddell (once basically because a poke in the eye) is the same fighter now then I doubt you've been watching his fights. During the Liddell losses Randy was going through a bitter divorce, and that will mess anyone up. The reason I brought up Vera is because he's the only win out of his last three going into his fight with Fedor. I was trying to say that a #5 ranking was a liitle over embellished for a guy who hadn't beaten a top heavyweight since Arlovski. Let me set one thing straight. I don't hate Fedor. I was a big fan of his in PRIDE, but he has let me down recently by not fighting the best fighters. In 2004-5 he was the best fighter in the world, and I don't think there was heavyweight that could have beaten him. But I don't know what kind of fighter he is now. After three years of fighting lesser competition is he the same Fedor? Can he rise to the occasion like he did against NOG? We don't know. I know the destruction of Sylvia was impressive. However I think my mind would have been put at ease about his skills if it would have been a fight, meaning if he would have been challenged at anytime during the fight.
 
#48 ·
Why is Vera bring brought up as a LHW in regards to Sylvia? He was a HW when they fought so he should be talked about as a HW, that is a poor attempt to discredit someone. That's like saying Irvin lost to a MW (Silva for the slow), no he lost to a LHW because the fight was at LHW.
 
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