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Old 10-24-2008, 11:13 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I think its an integral part of keeping alot of fans happy. If it wasnt for this rule, MMA would likely have folded or declined a long time ago. Sad but true in my opinion.
This isn't about what keeps the fans happy. As I said before this is a sport, not sports entertainment.

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I disagree.. if there were no standups you could win fights by just neutralizing your opponents offense.. and just lay on him for 3 rounds. At which point.. MMA would be ruled by strong wrestlers with good sub defense... actually their sub defense would only have to be mediocre because they wouldnt have to do much on the ground.. they could just hold their opponent there.. which be pretty easy to avoid submissions if you werent very active.
That would be the fault of the judges and scoring system, not non-interference in fights by referees to keep people entertained.

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I'm sorry but even as a big fan Sakuraba vs Royce 1 was just not worth the time. Well, maybe for me, but not the average fan. There is a fine line between strategy and stalling.
Agsin, I'm not talking about whats practical in keeping the fans happy.

You seem to have misunderstood the questio. I'm talking about whats right in principle. I don't actually expect this to change, I just find it ridiculous and think it detracts heavily from the sport.
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Old 10-24-2008, 12:41 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Neg, what if two fighters just aren't doing ANYTHING, do you believe at this point a yellow card system should be implemented?

Because I mean, you say it's not sports entertainment, and I agree, but there have been some fights that have barely even moved. Lay-n-pray is not a myth, and some fights consists entirely of absolutely nothing.

What do you propose then?
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Old 10-25-2008, 12:03 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Absolutely nothing. Fighters that don't entertain usually aren't kept around anyway.
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They should stand them up if they are doing nothing. Should we just let fighters stand there and not strike?
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Old 10-25-2008, 06:32 PM   #15 (permalink)
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They should stand them up if they are doing nothing. Should we just let fighters stand there and not strike?
We do, that was one of my original points.
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Old 10-25-2008, 07:17 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I think stand ups do mess with fights in some situations however I think you went a little too far.

Stand ups are needed in some situations.
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Agsin, I'm not talking about whats practical in keeping the fans happy.

You seem to have misunderstood the questio. I'm talking about whats right in principle. I don't actually expect this to change, I just find it ridiculous and think it detracts heavily from the sport.
Well if we're going to do that why not throw out rounds, and timelimits too? Clearly they are artificial impositions on the on sport as well, and affect the outcome of the fight by giving fighters with a lesser gastank a rest.

Personally I think it would detract heavily from the sport to take away standups. Boooooring. Let me say that I agree with you that in the most perfect form of the sport there would be no standups.

But a sport can't succeed without fans, and only the most hardcore fans enjoy an inactive groundgame, so the current incarnation of the sport has to be a compromise between purity of sport and action.
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I think stand ups do mess with fights in some situations however I think you went a little too far.

Stand ups are needed in some situations.
Like when? Standups don't make any sense. They are purely a measure to keep things exciting.
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Well if we're going to do that why not throw out rounds, and timelimits too? Clearly they are artificial impositions on the on sport as well, and affect the outcome of the fight by giving fighters with a lesser gastank a rest.

Personally I think it would detract heavily from the sport to take away standups. Boooooring. Let me say that I agree with you that in the most perfect form of the sport there would be no standups.
What? Rounds and timelimits don't give an uneven advantage to either fighter, so that really has no relevance.

So you think keeping the fights entertaining is more important than keeping it fair and legitimate competition?
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What? Rounds and timelimits don't give an uneven advantage to either fighter, so that really has no relevance.
It rewards the fighter with the lesser gastank, as I already said. So you think giving the fighters a little rest period to recover is more important than keeping the fight a fair and legitimate competition? As a guy whose biggest strength is his cardio, I am offended sir. You are trying to take my best weapon away.

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So you think keeping the fights entertaining is more important than keeping it fair and legitimate competition?
I don't think standups make the fight unfair- each fighter knows that a standup is a possibility coming into the fight, and that they need to keep their groundgame active to avoid that. If that discriminates against a fighter with a slow, boring groundgame, I don't see how that's any worse than a special rule forcing rest periods which definitely is more helpful to the fighter with poorer cardio.
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It rewards the fighter with the lesser gastank, as I already said. So you think giving the fighters a little rest period to recover is more important than keeping the fight a fair and legitimate competition? As a guy whose biggest strength is his cardio, I am offended sir. You are trying to take my best weapon away.
Ok, this is just ridiculous. You can't compare time limits and rounds to what he is proposing. And the way you're defending it is, I imagine, a joke to try and make him look stupid?
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