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Old 12-02-2008, 07:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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How do you rank P4P?

Instead of just asking lists of who you think p4p fighters should be placed... I want to know what stats you favor more when comparing fighters.

I was looking over the sherdog rankings..
http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings...d-top-10-15240


Silva
GSP
Fedor

I'm trying to understand how they would make these top 3. What do they take in effect?
The difficulty of the weight division?
The dominance this person has over others?
The record?
Fights per KO/Sub?



Is sherdog underrating Fedor just because he is a heavyweight? Or is Anderson ranked higher because he has a win in the weight class above?


What do you guys look at for P4P rankings?
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Old 12-02-2008, 07:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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First and foremost tools/skills. Secondly comes consistency/wins. Thirdly comes credibility of opponents. Then balls. Then other stuff.

GSP gets extra points for tools, Fedor gets points for consistency and beating credible opponents. Silva lost to a flying scissor heel hook.

I pretty much rate GSP as the most skilled fighter in the world, with a few more wins and some more consistency (losing the title on the first defense is bad) I would easily consider him the P4P best, especially if he beats Penn.

I rate Penn very highly due to the fact that he used to barely train and would still dominate people. This got him in trouble against GSP and Huges though. Now that hes focused, hes easily one of the best fighters in the world.

My top three revolve around GSP, Penn, and Fedor.
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Old 12-02-2008, 08:03 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I pretty much rate GSP as the most skilled fighter in the world, with a few more wins and some more consistency (losing the title on the first defense is bad) I would easily consider him the P4P best, especially if he beats Penn.

I don't think Serra was even ranked when he knocked him out. You wouldn't take anything away from GSP... since now he is much improved? Is his chin still suspect?
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Old 12-02-2008, 08:08 PM   #4 (permalink)
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P4P shouldn't be in MMA because there are way too many factors to evaluate and far too many situations to account for to really determine a true P4P List.

I mean boxing it is far less complicated seeing as it is really only 1 style of fighting, while in MMA you have to take in various styles such as Judo, BJJ, Kickboxing, Sambo ect. ect. While in boxing, really all you have to account for is how good of a boxer that fighter is, there is no chance for someone to shoot and go for a sub, all you can do is box.

I mean look how much confusion, arguments, and various points arise in ranking a single division, let alone they massive heat that arises when determining a P4P list in MMA.

P4P in MMA I only see it as a marketing tool and nothing more.
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Old 12-02-2008, 09:55 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 12-02-2008, 10:15 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Personally, I think "pound for pound" is a stupid term, and is mainly used for marketing purposes.

That said, if I was attempting to state who the best p4p fighter in the world was, I would pay attention to how many of the top 10 fighters in the division that the fighter in question has faced and beaten.

In that case, I'd consider GSP to be the best p4p fighter in the world because he has beaten more top 10 fighters than both Fedor and Anderson Silva.

I believe that comparing skill is pointless, and entirely subjective. Looking at wins over top ranked competition is more concrete.

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Old 12-02-2008, 10:38 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Personally I have it:

Fedor
BJ
Silva
GSP

This is just based on my opinion of how good they are, not their record or who they've beaten or anything
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I give the #1 spot to Fedor for 2 reasons:

- The guy is basically still unbeaten
- Fighting in the HW division, he beat dudes against whom he had a big size disadvantage. Fedor is not even a big HW while GSP and Silva are huge WW and MW.

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i rank P4P by asking the simple question:

"is he better than Fedor?"

generally speaking the answer comes up as no.
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First and foremost tools/skills. Secondly comes consistency/wins. Thirdly comes credibility of opponents. Then balls. Then other stuff.

GSP gets extra points for tools, Fedor gets points for consistency and beating credible opponents. Silva lost to a flying scissor heel hook.

I pretty much rate GSP as the most skilled fighter in the world, with a few more wins and some more consistency (losing the title on the first defense is bad) I would easily consider him the P4P best, especially if he beats Penn.

I rate Penn very highly due to the fact that he used to barely train and would still dominate people. This got him in trouble against GSP and Huges though. Now that hes focused, hes easily one of the best fighters in the world.

My top three revolve around GSP, Penn, and Fedor.
I completely agree that wins and quality of opponents has to come into play. You can't just simply say if they were all the same size who would win? You have to guess how much speed Fedor would gain. How much power would BJ gain? It's too subjective.
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