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Old 12-07-2008, 02:58 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Frank Shamrock has still shown that he can perform with the best of them. His striking is great, he can take a punch, he has a good sub game and he's in great shape. Did he fight a stupid fight against Cung? Yes, but Frank did better standing than anyone else. You stand with Le, and you're going to get either kicked or punched. It happens, that loss shouldn't make you think that Frankie Shammy is done.

He beat the hell out of Phil Baroni. Completely decimating him with precise strikes. He showed that Cesar Gracie was strictly a BJJ teacher.
Standing with a midlevel fighter isn't impressive. Frank did better than the cans that Le had been fighting, so I should be impressed? Beating Baroni means he's as good as the likes of Pete Sell, kala hose, and joey villasenor (not exactly a prestigious list). Beating Cesar proves he can beat a guy with no mma fights. Frank still hasn't fought a top level fighter in 9 years.
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Old 12-07-2008, 10:27 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 12-07-2008, 03:08 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Frank Shamrock is The Legend. He's got to hit the cage a few more times.
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Old 12-08-2008, 04:07 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Frank Shamrock is The Legend. He's got to hit the cage a few more times.
I don't see why Shamrock should keep fighting. He was a legend no doubt. He's not the same Shamrock that he used to be however. I don't want to see Shamrock fighting and getting hurt. I definitely don't want to see him fight past his prime as much as Ken has. There is no top 10 guy he can beat. If he wants to fight a few more cans like Baroni that's fine, I guess, but I don't really see the point.
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Old 12-08-2008, 04:54 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I don't see why Shamrock should keep fighting. He was a legend no doubt. He's not the same Shamrock that he used to be however. I don't want to see Shamrock fighting and getting hurt. I definitely don't want to see him fight past his prime as much as Ken has. There is no top 10 guy he can beat. If he wants to fight a few more cans like Baroni that's fine, I guess, but I don't really see the point.

The guy is entertaining as hell and knows how to sell fights. You cant tell me that Le Vs Shamrock wasnt entertaining for you.

I'd never want to see any fighter go on like Ken Shamrock has been, but Frank isnt nowhere near there.
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What exactly has Frank done in the last 5 years to make you think that he isn't done? His loss to a mid level fighter like Le? His dominating wins over lesser opponents like Ceasar Gracie or Phil Baroni? Seriously Frank hasn't fought a top level fighter since he fought Tito Ortiz almost a decade ago. Frank needs to go away.
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:21 PM   #28 (permalink)
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The guy is entertaining as hell and knows how to sell fights. You cant tell me that Le Vs Shamrock wasnt entertaining for you.

I'd never want to see any fighter go on like Ken Shamrock has been, but Frank isnt nowhere near there.
I'll agree that Frank's fight against Le was entertaining. I don't think anyone can question that Frank has one of the biggest hearts in the game, and that worries me. Fighters don't seem to decline slowly. It at least seems to happen almost all at once. Take what has happened with De la Hoya in boxing. You could tell his skills had diminished against Mayweather and Forbes (even though he won). Then against Pacman he was just done. It wasn't that he didn't want to fight, it was just gone. I'd just hate to have to watch Frank in a fight like that. I don't mind him fighting some lesser guys and retiring. I just don't want to see him get destroyed and embarrassed.

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Making an enemy of Damone for dissing Frank was your first mistake. Making an enemy of me by dissing Baroni was your last.
Sorry if you think Baroni is even a midlevel fighter right now, you need your head checked.
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Ok... Baroni would be tough for a lot of guys because of his punching power.

Cung Le would be tough for any MW because of his power and amazing skill.

I think you are seriously misjudging Le and will be surprised one day when he enters the UFC.

Frank Shamrock is a beast and has the capability to beat almost any MW fighter... (not Silva ).
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Old 12-09-2008, 02:37 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Ok... Baroni would be tough for a lot of guys because of his punching power.
Top guys like Sell, Minowa, and Hose had a lot of trouble with Phil's power?

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Cung Le would be tough for any MW because of his power and amazing skill.

I think you are seriously misjudging Le and will be surprised one day when he enters the UFC.
Shamrock is the only even midlevel fighter that Le has faced. The rest of the guys he's fought couldn't even be considered third tier. Le has never really been tested. He will never fight in the UFC. They won't put up with a guy who only fights once or twice a year.

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Frank Shamrock is a beast and has the capability to beat almost any MW fighter... (not Silva ).
Keep telling yourself that. Since he hasn't fought a top ten guy in almost a decade, I would have to see it to believe it.
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