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Old 12-18-2008, 09:27 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I just really have issues with people that do unspeakable acts getting any kind of respect at all.

There are very few things in this world that are unforgivable and murder, especially of someone that you pledged your life to, is one of them.

I already said that I'll reserve how I react to this until it comes out what happened.

If it was something other then a murder/suicide, then I hope he does reset in peace.

Plus, the fact that I have no religious beliefs makes it hard for me to feel like he'll be punished in the afterlife for any wrong doings.
Then you dont understand the mental states people can get themselves in and its not all there fault either, because a lot people will notice whats happening to them and not say or do anything for them. It is very hard for people to help themselves when they are in that frame of mind, but the people around him could of prevented this from happening IMO.

I never said it was forgivable what/if he did, but i understand what he must have gone through and for that i have sympathy.

plus none of us knows what has really happened yet, so just show some respect for the dead, until we find out what has happened.
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Old 12-18-2008, 09:28 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Then you dont understand the mental states people can get themselves in and its not all there fault either, because a lot people will notice whats happening to them and not say or do anything for them. It is very hard for people to help themselves when they are in that frame of mind, but the people around him could of prevented this form happening IMO.

I never said it was forgivable what/if he did, but i understand what he must have gone through and for that i have sympathy.


You can all call me a dick or what ever you want. But if he did this, then there's no sympathy from me at all.
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Old 12-18-2008, 09:48 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Levens’ Autopsies Suggest Murder-Suicide

Autopsies of light heavyweight Justin Levens and his wife Sara McLean-Levens conducted Thursday further suggest a murder-suicide, though the reports have not been deemed conclusive and the case is still pending further investigation.

Levens, 28, and his wife Sara, 25, were found dead Wednesday from gunshot wounds in their home in Laguna Niguel, Calif.

“It was a chest wound that penetrated her heart and killed her and his was to the head,” said Jim Amormino, said O. C. Sheriff Coroner’s Office spokesman Jim Amormino.

Initial evidence suggests Justin Levens was the shooter. Amormino said a handgun had been discovered close to the fighter’s body in the couple’s bed. Sara McLean-Leven’s mother found the bodies together in bed on Wednesday after not hearing from her daughter for five days.

The autopsy reports estimated the time of death occurred approximately four days ago. No suicide note was found at the scene.

Authorities also took into custody what appeared to be prescribed painkillers and anti-depressant medication, though they were not found in the standard-marked pharmaceutical containers denoting whom they belonged to.

A two-time UFC competitor, Levens had tested positive for the painkiller oxymorphone in pre-fight testing for a bout against Ray Lazama at Affliction "Banned" on July 19 at the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif., according to the California State Athletic Commission. The bout had been cancelled that night due to time constraints.

Toxicology reports of both bodies will take six to eight weeks, said Amormino.

The fire department had been called to the residence twice in the last month, according to Amormino, once for a potential drug overdose and once for smoke coming out of the home.

Amormino was unable to confirm who had overdosed or what the drug was and if anyone had sought out medical care at the time.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:19 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Even before his alleged murder and suicide, where are people getting off this idea that he was a great loss in MMA? It's a tradegy, yes, but please don't make the kid something he wasn't because he died.
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