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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 11-11-2006, 12:09 AM Thread Starter
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Wanderlei Silva vs Shogun Rua

Before you guys yell I know they train together but this fight is going to happen eventaully and most likely in the 2007 MWGP. If it comes to that they have said they will fight. Im curious if this would be a grappling contest or a stand up war. I think this would be very similar to Lil Nog vs Shogun. I got Shogun by unanimous decision. And by fighting for the title, this can only help Chutebox, not hurt it. They would have 2 guys from their team fighting for the title, that is huge




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i have silva by knockout, espicially if its the finals of a grand prix.

Silva has been tested already, and he can take a shot(mark hunt in 2004 for example), while shogun has not demonstrated very powerful striking to knockout ppl... hes made his opponents go down, and he would finish with stomps, but i dont see him being able to do that to silva. Besides, Shogun's defense(as well as Silva's i guess) arent that great, and while both are open to strikes while they try to hit their opponent, Silva's hand are much more effective for knockouts.

As for grappling, i think Shogun is ahead, but can he really use it? Silva is not necessarely easy to takedown, and Shogun isnt a very good takedown guy.. Like i said, Silva is less likely to get knocked down than Shogun, so i dont think any grappling skills will be involved.
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I said it in the other thread, I think Shoguns better but I dont know if he will be mentally tough enough to beat his teacher. Its like Anakin and Obi Wan.

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i have silva by knockout, espicially if its the finals of a grand prix.

Silva has been tested already, and he can take a shot(mark hunt in 2004 for example), while shogun has not demonstrated very powerful striking to knockout ppl... hes made his opponents go down, and he would finish with stomps, but i dont see him being able to do that to silva. Besides, Shogun's defense(as well as Silva's i guess) arent that great, and while both are open to strikes while they try to hit their opponent, Silva's hand are much more effective for knockouts.

As for grappling, i think Shogun is ahead, but can he really use it? Silva is not necessarely easy to takedown, and Shogun isnt a very good takedown guy.. Like i said, Silva is less likely to get knocked down than Shogun, so i dont think any grappling skills will be involved.
Shogun's not good at takedowns??? Did u watch his fight vs Lill Nog? and Wandy has good take down defense? Arona, Tito both got him down easily..Not trying to argue I just disagree with you




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Shogun is good at everything. Period.
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i think if this fight were purely based on preparedness and talent then it goes to shogun by decision but there is a huge mental game involved in this particular fight that i think goes againt shogun.
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I give this to Wandy because he is battle tested. He seems to be in his groove during the MWGP. He's always at his best then. Shogun doesnt have the hands that CroCop has so I dont think he would dominate Wandy on his feet. I also think that Wandy is a true fighter and champion and ultimately cares more about his legacy than he does about Shogun. If people believe Shogun might be better than his teacher than Wandy will prove them wrong because he wants to be the best hands down w/o arguement. That is also why I wouldnt put it past him going back to the UFC to fight Chuck and maybe avenge his loss to Tito.
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Shogun's not good at takedowns??? Did u watch his fight vs Lill Nog? and Wandy has good take down defense? Arona, Tito both got him down easily..Not trying to argue I just disagree with you

first, i dont think Tito's fight counts, as it was so long ago, not to mention that tito has way better takedowns then shogun.

I have the fight shogun vs nog, and no, i dont see where he did decent takedowns... when the fight did get to the ground, either lil nog wanted that and let him, or he was knocked down by shogun's strikes. A fight where u see shogun actually going for standard takedowns is against cyril diabete(french tall black guy), and while it looked good, u can see that his opponent isnt that great at takedown defense. On the other hand, u have Silva, who has fought Arona twice(who has pretty good takedowns), and the 2nd time, he was way better to avoid takedowns... im not saying silva has excellent takedowns defense, but i think its enough to counter Shogun's takedown skills.


I personally think Shogun, like a lot of people mention, is good at everything, and thats why a lot consider him number 1, but against silva, i dont see him being able to use every weapon hes got in his arsenal, his stomps for example.
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first, i dont think Tito's fight counts, as it was so long ago, not to mention that tito has way better takedowns then shogun.

I have the fight shogun vs nog, and no, i dont see where he did decent takedowns... when the fight did get to the ground, either lil nog wanted that and let him, or he was knocked down by shogun's strikes. A fight where u see shogun actually going for standard takedowns is against cyril diabete(french tall black guy), and while it looked good, u can see that his opponent isnt that great at takedown defense. On the other hand, u have Silva, who has fought Arona twice(who has pretty good takedowns), and the 2nd time, he was way better to avoid takedowns... im not saying silva has excellent takedowns defense, but i think its enough to counter Shogun's takedown skills.


I personally think Shogun, like a lot of people mention, is good at everything, and thats why a lot consider him number 1, but against silva, i dont see him being able to use every weapon hes got in his arsenal, his stomps for example.
valid points, but ive seen teh shogun vs nog fight many times, and he takes nog down over and over again in that fight




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