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pt447 · 11-15-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JawShattera

no god exists on this earth whether it be moko-mongo of africa, ching chong of china, dingo-mama of austrailia or god in north america. I dont understand how one could beleive in these rediculous things. I just do not get it

it's a weakness of will, and a general, deep-rooted need to have answers that are more "amazing" that reality.

as if science isn't amazing enough...

benefactor · 11-15-2006, 08:05 PM

Guess Ill weigh on this real quick.

Anything used in an inappropriate manner is dangerous. If you put a gun in the hand of someone who is psycotic, then they are likely to kill someone. If you take the same gun and give it to someone who uses it for its intended purpose...which is for protection...then it only harms those who are breaking in to that persons house.

So it is with religion. I agree that there are many people who make Christianity look bad because they are out there trying to pass laws against homosexuals and pushing bibles in the faces of people who could really care less. They take scriptures out of context and try to make them apply to all of Christianity. Even worse, as mentioned above, they run to Congress and try to get thier mandates placed on the population as a whole. As a Christian, I apologize for people such as this. There is much in the Bible that is debatable and subject to interpretation...so I left the theology that makes Christianity the monster it is today a long time ago. Today I focus on the message of Jesus Christ...which is to love all people, regardless of where they come from, what they do or who they are associated with. The religious Christians of today are the ones I fight against(didn't Jesus do that?)...not the people out there just living thier lives. I also believe that there are people out there that can benefit from Jesus' message. Ive seen those who were wrapped up in drugs, alcohol, abusive relationships, etc. use the message of the love of Christ to give them a positive direction to focus thier energy after recovery. Christianity in and of itself is not bad...but in the hands of people with evil motives, it most certianly can be.

pt447 · 11-15-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by benefactor

Guess Ill weigh on this real quick.

Anything used in an inappropriate manner is dangerous. If you put a gun in the hand of someone who is psycotic, then they are likely to kill someone. If you take the same gun and give it to someone who uses it for its intended purpose...which is for protection...then it only harms those who are breaking in to that persons house.

So it is with religion. I agree that there are many people who make Christianity look bad because they are out there trying to pass laws against homosexuals and pushing bibles in the faces of people who could really care less. They take scriptures out of context and try to make them apply to all of Christianity. Even worse, as mentioned above, they run to Congress and try to get thier mandates placed on the population as a whole. As a Christian, I apologize for people such as this. There is much in the Bible that is debatable and subject to interpretation...so I left the theology that makes Christianity the monster it is today a long time ago. Today I focus on the message of Jesus Christ...which is to love all people, regardless of where they come from, what they do or who they are associated with. The religious Christians of today are the ones I fight against(didn't Jesus do that?)...not the people out there just living thier lives. I also believe that there are people out there that can benefit from Jesus' message. Ive seen those who were wrapped up in drugs, alcohol, abusive relationships, etc. use the message of the love of Christ to give them a positive direction to focus thier energy after recovery. Christianity in and of itself is not bad...but in the hands of people with evil motives, it most certianly can be.

i respect that! there needs to me more people like you, then maybe so many people wouldn't hate religion!!! lol

**WouldLuv2FightU** · 11-15-2006, 08:21 PM

God is real...but religion is fake. (Directed to PT and Liveson and JawShattera up there^)

SOmething created us, but IT didn't create us to spend our lives in fear of sinning and spending every waking moment dedicated to IT. It's silly to believe that, seriously, there's no other word to describe religion better than "silly".

Go do some research on Quantam Physics and Theoretical Physics. James Arthur Ray is also has some good theories, not religious, about things pertaining to Quantam Physics and such. Anyway do some research, it will do you some good, some mindblowing advances in technology are happening right now that most aren't aware of. Try learning about the theory of parallel universes and stuff and then try to think about religion.

pt447 · 11-15-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WouldLuv2FightU

God is real...but religion is fake. (Directed to PT and Liveson and JawShattera up there^)

SOmething created us, but IT didn't create us to spend our lives in fear of sinning and spending every waking moment dedicated to IT. It's silly to believe that, seriously, there's no other word to describe religion better than "silly".

Go do some research on Quantam Physics and Theoretical Physics. James Arthur Ray is also has some good theories, not religious, about things pertaining to Quantam Physics and such. Anyway do some research, it will do you some good, some mindblowing advances in technology are happening right now that most aren't aware of. Try learning about the theory of parallel universes and stuff and then try to think about religion.

that stuff is fun, all well and good, but they are just abstract theories. there is no way to prove parrallel universes, just like there is no way to prove a God. IMO, theories such as those, do us no good, and are just as fantastical as religion. but, parallel universists don't try to influence life here on earth, in this universe, so i have no problem with them!

**Halebop** · 11-15-2006, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by benefactor

Guess Ill weigh on this real quick.

Anything used in an inappropriate manner is dangerous. If you put a gun in the hand of someone who is psycotic, then they are likely to kill someone. If you take the same gun and give it to someone who uses it for its intended purpose...which is for protection...then it only harms those who are breaking in to that persons house.

So it is with religion. I agree that there are many people who make Christianity look bad because they are out there trying to pass laws against homosexuals and pushing bibles in the faces of people who could really care less. They take scriptures out of context and try to make them apply to all of Christianity. Even worse, as mentioned above, they run to Congress and try to get thier mandates placed on the population as a whole. As a Christian, I apologize for people such as this. There is much in the Bible that is debatable and subject to interpretation...so I left the theology that makes Christianity the monster it is today a long time ago. Today I focus on the message of Jesus Christ...which is to love all people, regardless of where they come from, what they do or who they are associated with. The religious Christians of today are the ones I fight against(didn't Jesus do that?)...not the people out there just living thier lives. I also believe that there are people out there that can benefit from Jesus' message. Ive seen those who were wrapped up in drugs, alcohol, abusive relationships, etc. use the message of the love of Christ to give them a positive direction to focus thier energy after recovery. Christianity in and of itself is not bad...but in the hands of people with evil motives, it most certianly can be.

I am a very humble Christian who doesn't know whats right for you and you don't know whats right for me. I don't find sin in "curse words", drugs, or sex or any of that other bullshit, I trust my instincts (don't be greedy, try not to be an asshole etc.) coz man ****ed up my religion centuries ago.
I find it laughable that MMA would be considered a sinny- sin-sin If I have it wrong, I hope hell has MMA

pt447 · 11-15-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Halebop

I am a very humble Christian who doesn't know whats right for you and you don't know whats right for me. I don't find sin in "curse words", drugs, or sex or any of that other bullshit, I trust my instincts (don't be greedy, try not to be an asshole etc.) coz man ****ed up my religion centuries ago.
I find it laughable that MMA would be considered a sinny- sin-sin If I have it wrong, I hope hell has MMA

just curious... how could man have messed up your religion, when religion is for man. technically it is an invention of man, but you get the point of my question. if it was trully the real deal, it would be infallable, uncorruptable by man.

anyway, good to know there are some normal religious people out there!

**WouldLuv2FightU** · 11-15-2006, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pt447

that stuff is fun, all well and good, but they are just abstract theories. there is no way to prove parrallel universes, just like there is no way to prove a God. IMO, theories such as those, do us no good, and are just as fantastical as religion. but, parallel universists don't try to influence life here on earth, in this universe, so i have no problem with them!

As unbelievable as parallel universes sound, I still find them more believable than any religion. But I don't use that as a life guide, it is just something crazy and cool to think about.

pt447 · 11-15-2006, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by WouldLuv2FightU

As unbelievable as parallel universes sound, I still find them more believable than any religion. But I don't use that as a life guide, it is just something crazy and cool to think about.

bingo! contemplation is awsome. unfortunetly, religion doesn't want thought and conetmplation, only assumed truth, and that's the problem.

a prof i had years ago, in a philosophy of science class, said that the only theories that are good theories are the ones that can be tested. otherwise, they are just assumed endpoints, and no more investigation can occur. religion assumes to be the end all, be all truth, and that no inquiry is neccisary. science is based on the fact that any theory can, and must be tested!!!

there's a huge difference between a sound argument, and a valid argument. sound means it's presented intellegently and logically, while valid means it is, at that point, able to be considered true! religion is neither. only a blanket statement that trumps all inquiry! therefore it is neccisarily not sound and invalid!!!

**Halebop** · 11-15-2006, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pt447

just curious... how could man have messed up your religion, when religion is for man. technically it is an invention of man, but you get the point of my question. if it was trully the real deal, it would be infallable, uncorruptable by man.

anyway, good to know there are some normal religious people out there!

I do get your point and I think it is a good one. I could go on for hours on this subject but specifically how man has messed it up in the last century,

Used religion for the temperance movement to ban alcohol, guess what, it messed with the non christians and pissed them off.

In the 60's Jesus hated the idea of segregation, I guess he is cool with it now, its the homosexuals that are on his shit list now.

TV Preachers-nuff said.

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Abortion Rallys-again, behavior that casts Christians in a bad light, good you are standing up with your fellow Christians but you ain't bringin any new members to the flock.

Christians that get on TV and say evolution isn't real, dinosaurs never existed, and the world is only 6000 years old.....God didn't command us to be fuking stupid.

The fact that they don't put people like me on TV, no no, where are the 6 people in the mountains of Arkansas drinking stricnyne and holding rattlesnakes....those guys will get the viewers.

Basically religion now is about ****ing with non-christians, commercialism, and making money. So I don't trust religion now, but it doesn't mean I have to quit believing. So anyway, let me try and tye this back into MMA, Only a fool would think that is a sin with everything else in the world, do you think your God is watching the PPV this weekend? Mine isn't.

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