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Old 04-12-2009, 10:44 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Wow... just watched this and niether fighter looked good at all. Diaz was throwing telegraphed, slow shots and Frank was taking all of them and showing no semblance of a standing game. Diaz must've been high because I know he can throw a lot faster than that. Frank just seemed like he didn't want to be in a fight, like the fire is dying.
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Old 04-13-2009, 09:26 AM   #72 (permalink)
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you're confusing eloquence with intelligence. how well you speak is not directly correllary to your intelligence.
No, I'm not. What Frank said about why people fight was one of the most insightful things I have heard from a fighter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMH_ajmDsSw
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I don't like Shamrock very much. But I hate Diaz. I can't say whether Frank looked really bad or Nick looked really good. Either way I don't like this outcome. Nick is a good fighter and deserved to win, but that still doesn't change the fact that he is an asshole.
I wasn't a fan of Diaz either. Until he finished the fight and helped Shamrock up, holding Shamrock's hand up. That made me emotional.
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Old 04-13-2009, 07:24 PM   #74 (permalink)
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I really dont know how you guys like this piece of shit. Him and Matt Hughes are the 2 biggest scumbags in MMA, I HATE with a passion Frank Shamrock. Not as a fighter, but as a person. I think he is a bad person, same with Hughes.
I agree, I know him and ken dont get along but he just throws Ken under the bus every time he talks. They must have had some goodtimes together in the past but he just says things about his step brother that shouldnt be said. At least nick and Nate are tight as family can be. Frank always talks about Ken on roids but in 1999 Frank weighed 198lbs when he was fighting and he was built like a brick house, now look at him he weighs 180 and looks alot smaller, I always thought people gained a little weight with age not lose it. I still have my suspiscions about frank and roids in the ufc.
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Old 04-13-2009, 07:28 PM   #75 (permalink)
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No, I'm not. What Frank said about why people fight was one of the most insightful things I have heard from a fighter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMH_ajmDsSw
that is some of the most obvious sentimental truisms i've ever heard. sorry if you think that's profound, but it isn't.
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Old 04-13-2009, 08:05 PM   #76 (permalink)
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I really dont know how you guys like this piece of shit. Him and Matt Hughes are the 2 biggest scumbags in MMA, I HATE with a passion Frank Shamrock. Not as a fighter, but as a person. I think he is a bad person, same with Hughes.

Really? They're just fighters man. No need to hate anyone with a passion. And how are they scumbags?

These are guys who train and perform Mixed Martial Arts. Even if they talk smack here and there. They play to alot of fighters and fans emotions. It's their job.

Even when we say that we're bandwagoners, we're just fans of there performance and capabilities. You shouldn't take them so personal.
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that is some of the most obvious sentimental truisms i've ever heard. sorry if you think that's profound, but it isn't.
You can say almost anything about Frank, but you can't say he is stupid. And to retort about your previous post, yes, one of the characteristic of intelligence is the ability to use language.

I view Diaz in two ways:
1) I admire his fighting skills, especially his ground game. I hope one day I'll be able to hold someone in a triangle and do bodybuilding poses with my upper body.
2)I detest his gangsta-wannabe personality and his lack of intelligence

Frank can be an asshole too, but he as I said he is intelligent and has style. Bear in mind that I don't like him much either.
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You can say almost anything about Frank, but you can't say he is stupid. And to retort about your previous post, yes, one of the characteristic of intelligence is the ability to use language.

I view Diaz in two ways:
1) I admire his fighting skills, especially his ground game. I hope one day I'll be able to hold someone in a triangle and do bodybuilding poses with my upper body.
2)I detest his gangsta-wannabe personality and his lack of intelligence

Frank can be an asshole too, but he as I said he is intelligent and has style. Bear in mind that I don't like him much either.
I don't think Frank's stupid- in fact I think he is quite intelligent. He clearly has a much more thorough understanding of salesmanship and marketing.

But I don't think Diaz is dumb, either, simply because he is not as well-spoken. They come from different upbringings, backgrounds, and values and I think that accounts for the way Nick expresses himself. He is a product of the streets that managed to pull himself out via BJJ/MMA. I think he is actually a very bright guy, you don't become a BJJ badass and tactical striker like that being dumb. If you sort through his interviews he has some very good ideas and even coherent opinions. He's just not as good at articulating them, and doesn't give a shit enough to take the time to adapt to the more acceptable style of speech and behavior.
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That was the Diaz that KO'd Lawler. I LOVED Diaz and this fight. I cant believe only 8 people picked him. Thats nuts.

I wouldnt mind seeing Diaz fight the winner of Lawler and Sheilds, which is gonna be Lawler. Big grudge match, dont know who I would pick.
I think both Shamrock and Diaz are overrated but I thought Shamrock would beat Diaz without too much trouble. I can't believe how horrible Frank looked standing.

Speaking of over rated, Shields and Lawler are right up there but I think Lawler is exactly the type of guy Shields beats. I think either of them beats Diaz. I don't think he looked good against Shamrock it was more Shamrock looking bad.
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