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Old 07-01-2009, 07:38 AM   #11 (permalink)
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My thoughts are if it is a fight to the death then my money is on the people trained to kill. But if it is an actual mma fight, then I am taking the person trained in mma.
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Old 07-01-2009, 09:32 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, someone more knowledgeable will probably be aware of this- but wasn't there a show match between a top Japanese wrestler I think and Tyson/Ali I can't remember (I think the latter, for what it's worth) And the wrestler put him on his back and it showed he was like a fish out of water even with all that power once it hit the mat.

I'm going to look it up now, I also recall it being sort of kept out of mainstream media news. Please don't call me out on this it's from my vague memory- just trying to add to the topic!
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Old 07-01-2009, 11:23 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, someone more knowledgeable will probably be aware of this- but wasn't there a show match between a top Japanese wrestler I think and Tyson/Ali I can't remember (I think the latter, for what it's worth) And the wrestler put him on his back and it showed he was like a fish out of water even with all that power once it hit the mat.

I'm going to look it up now, I also recall it being sort of kept out of mainstream media news. Please don't call me out on this it's from my vague memory- just trying to add to the topic!
thats pretty interesting, i found a link to an article about the fight between ali and the japanese wrestler

http://prowrestling.about.com/od/the...inokivsali.htm

the fight was completely uneventful and was considered a draw. ali's boxing was completely nullified though as he only landed around 15 punches in 15 rounds, so i don't know how ali didn't lose.
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Old 07-01-2009, 11:26 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, someone more knowledgeable will probably be aware of this- but wasn't there a show match between a top Japanese wrestler I think and Tyson/Ali I can't remember (I think the latter, for what it's worth) And the wrestler put him on his back and it showed he was like a fish out of water even with all that power once it hit the mat.

I'm going to look it up now, I also recall it being sort of kept out of mainstream media news. Please don't call me out on this it's from my vague memory- just trying to add to the topic!
It was Inoki vs. Ali and Ali got his legs kicked into shit.

My point isn't about wrestlers and stuff. It's about Tyson being a crazy mofo and even if he got LnP then what? He would've eventually gotten up and unleashed some devastating blows.
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Old 07-01-2009, 01:06 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I'm not sure how well MMA fighters would do against a good Krav Maga practitioner, that shit is hardcore. Though I would be inclined to say that most Military close quarters combat is focused on fighting with weapons. In an outright hand to hand fight the MMA fighter will most likely win.
Krav Maga is grossly overrated. I don't need to pay someone to tell me how to kicks somebody in the testicles. (Ouch).

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I doubt ANY MMA fighter (besides Fedor and Lesnar) could beat a prime Mike Tyson. The guy was too fxcking crazy for almost anyone to handle.

Actually, many fighters could, if they took it to the ground. That's whats so great about MMA. The fight (unlike boxing) can take place anywhere.
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Old 07-01-2009, 01:11 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Krav Maga is grossly overrated. I don't need to pay someone to tell me how to kicks somebody in the testicles. (Ouch).
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If that's all you think of KM, you should train with someone who trained KM at Wingate sometime. In a no rules fight to the death, I don't know if I have met or trained with anyone I would want to face LESS.

McDojo Krav Maga is probably almost as useless as McDojo Kung Fu, JJ, TKD, etc....maybe slightly less uselss, as it teaches effective defenses early on in training to standard "street" attacks...but my point stands.
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It was Inoki vs. Ali and Ali got his legs kicked into shit.

My point isn't about wrestlers and stuff. It's about Tyson being a crazy mofo and even if he got LnP then what? He would've eventually gotten up and unleashed some devastating blows.
ummmmmmmmmm no. your wrong. He wouldn't get up. He would get KO'd or submitted on the ground easily.

Do you guys really think some dude in the military is gonna beat fedor in a fight to the death? A fight to the death isnt THAT much different then an MMA fight. Adding groin kicks and eye gouging doesnt change the sport THAT much. The MMA guys know of those moves, they just dont do them cause they arn't allowed. Even a Jitz champion would kill them. He would take him down and choke him out till he died.

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If the mixed martail artist had a regular training camp to prepare for throat/eye strikes and death blows; mma wins every time. Soldiers dont train in un-armed comat all the time, there busy being soldiers, shooting guns and dying in combat. If the two were to meet in a dark alley, the trained killer might have a chance.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:30 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Guy- I'm sorry but I think that's pretty ignorant. Oh he eventually would get to his feet and knock him out?

Oh well I'm sure all Nog had to do vs Mir was take it to the ground and it would be over. What a ridiculous sweeping statement with absolutely no respect for the wrestling game and ability to control a fight.
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Old 07-02-2009, 12:34 AM   #20 (permalink)
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This is ridiculous, the Navy SEALs and US Marines are not successful at what they do because of superior eye gouging and groin kicking techniques. A second grader can eye gouge and kick someone in the balls, its really not too difficult.

Ask a Marine or Navy SEAL how many hours they spent on training eye gouging and groin shots, it is going to be a very short period of time, why? Because that is not a very big focus for the military, they would much rather use their rifle, sidearm, or knife(s), also because it is not very hard to pick up on. The MMA guys would be able to kick someone in the balls just as easy as a guy in the military would, except they will most likely be kicking much much harder.

Now ask Fedor how long he trained that lead left hook that ruined the lives of Gary Goodridge, Sylvia, and many others. If they both knew they were about to fight each other (no sneak attact stuff) Fedor would land that lead left before the military guy could even lift his leg for the groin shot, and don't even start with the eye gouge bullshit, good luck getting in close enough for that against one of the best fighters in the world (and never forget the MMA guy can do it as well). Just think about A.Sliva and a Navy SEAL both doing groin shots to start off their FIGHT TO THE DEATH RARRR, who is gonna get there first?

Now I have all the respect in the world for guys in the Special Forces, but they are just guys who are in good shape, smart, tough, and very mentally strong, they are not by any means professional athletes. I also find it quite ironic that I just shortly before seeing this thread watched Ben Saunders vs Brandon Wolf (ex Navy SEAL) on Spike. Not only did Saunders demolish Wolf in the 1st round, but he also started the fight off with an accidental kick to the groin ha. Also never forget that most Special Ops guys are going to be smaller than even LHWs, they are all about pulling body weight and moving for long distances, that is much harder for big guys.

And I am not even going to start on MMA guys vs Shaolin Monks just . . . come on now . . . really?
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